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David Toppi
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V10 Sport Ultra
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December 18, 2007, 08:59:59 AM »
I finally sold one of my kayaks and have an opportunity to buy a used V10 Sport Ultra. The boat comes with a weedless and surfing rudder. I am concerned the light layup may get dammaged when I practice remounting the ski. Should I be worried about this? If the boat were to get dammaged how difficult is it to repair compared to a stanard fiberglass layup. Any and all opinions appreciated.
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Ritchie Cunningham
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 18, 2007, 09:42:23 AM »
I can't address your questions regarding repair, but can offer a couple of thoughts. Were I looking into buying a used Ultra, I'd give the hull a thorough visual and tactile inspection. With the latter, I would use a light micro-fiber wash cloth under the finger tips to search for dents.
As for damage incurred during remount, if you are reasonably fit I do not think it a significant issue. If you use what they call here the straddle method, the only problem would be the pounding of your feet on the after deck. Perfect your remount in smooth water, and have a patient, deliberate, and calm mentality if you have to remount in the rough.
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David Toppi
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 18, 2007, 11:22:49 AM »
Thanks Ritchie, I'll take your advice and practice in calm water first.
Dave
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Rob Mousley
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 18, 2007, 12:56:33 PM »
Quote from: David Toppi on December 18, 2007, 08:59:59 AM
I am concerned the light layup may get damaged when I practice remounting the ski. Should I be worried about this?
The Ultra boats may be light but they are tough. A friend has had a V10L Ultra for over a year and it has hardly a ding in it. He has remounted it many times in varying conditions and remounting has never caused damage.
So I'd not be worried at all about damage just from remounting.
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David Toppi
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 18, 2007, 04:08:49 PM »
Thanks for responding Rob. The owner is asking $2700 us. He says the boat is in new condition. I'll find out this weekend when I paddle it. I sometimes loose focus when I read ultra light, carbon/kevlar.
Dave
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Alain Jaques
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 06:27:11 AM »
I'd like to hear your comments after your paddle. I have just taken delivery of a brand new Epic V10Sport Ultra and I am very impressed with the build quality, the weight and the ride. It is a real pleasure to handle on and off the water.
Although it feels strong I am very concious about not denting it, not from remounting but from knocking against other boats and rocks. The boat has warnings stuck on to it about taking extra care and the Epic site has this disclaimer on the Utra's.
Ultra Disclaimer
A NOTE ABOUT EPIC'S ULTRA KAYAKS:
Epic Kayaks is committed to manufacturing the finest kayaks available, using only the highest quality materials. Our Ultra boats are exceptionally light and require more care when handling.
Avoid direct impact with hard objects such as rocks, which can dent and/or delaminate the lightweight honeycomb core.
Do not tie this boat directly onto hard metal racks. Appropriately shaped saddles or padding are required to eliminate stress concentrations when transporting these boats.
Happy paddling!
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David Toppi
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 09:08:46 AM »
I'm really looking forward to paddling the boat. I read that disclaimer and contacted Epic. here is the reply.
The Ultra disclaimer is not meant as a warning so much as a reminder that these ultra-light boats do require a little more care when handling. Realistically, most people would apply the same care to any model boat they choose, but the Ultra lay-up is more susceptible to dents and dings from direct impact on hard objects. This isn’t because the boat is weak in anyway, it is because of the Kevlar and Nomex foam core construction, which is simply not is impact resistant. On the water these boats are actually stiffer and stronger then our Performance construction. It is really on land where more diligence is required, i.e. don’t drop it on rocks, watch out when maneuvering in tight spaces, etc. Again, you would most likely take this care with any type of boat. I do paddle an Ultra V10, and always will. I have full confidence in it, and I like to baby my boats anyway!
Regards,
Chris Laughlin
Epic Kayaks - designed by world champions
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Ritchie Cunningham
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 09:18:55 AM »
I have a 20mm X 3mm dent incurred during a split-second moments inattention while offloading. Made me sick, sick, sick. Have been keeping an eye on it, and after lots of hard paddling, there are still no visible cracks in the gelcoat. The surrounding area of the hull still feels solid.
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Rob Mousley
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 01:31:58 PM »
Paddled with Alain on his new V10Sport Ultra tonight on a mild Millers Run (downwind) and have to say I've not seen anyone so much like a kid with a new toy for ages...
Al has a new baby at home & hasn't been able to spend much time on the water (as in he's only paddled a couple of times in the last three months).
He was grinning like a Cheshire cat and kept saying, "I love this boat"...
So I guess the ski has got something right... Oscar Chalupsky has bet me that I'll beat my current personal best on the Millers Run on the ski - I'm not sure but I'm going to give it my best shot.
(Oh - and I had twenty minutes undivided coaching on the runs from Oscar tonight - a great experience. All I want to do now is get out there & practise what he said...)
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 07:58:53 PM »
Quote from: Rob Mousley on December 20, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
Oscar Chalupsky has bet me that I'll beat my current personal best on the Millers Run on the ski - I'm not sure but I'm going to give it my best shot.
Rob dont you own a carbon mako 6 at the moment? If so would you seriously get of that onto the sport
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Rob Mousley
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 10:34:45 PM »
Quote from: superted on December 20, 2007, 07:58:53 PM
Rob dont you own a carbon mako 6 at the moment? If so would you seriously get of that onto the sport
My gut feeling is "no way!" but that's at least partly a kind of macho "Ha! I wouldn't be seen dead on a beginner's ski!" kind of reaction. Oscar's making the point that for a "beginner's ski" the V10 Sport is still a fast boat - and that for many people stability is more important than hull speed. That's why he's challenged me to do some downwind runs on it. (But after last night I may have a problem getting my hands on it - seems Alain has fallen in love with it!)
So, no, I'm not likely to switch to a V10Sport any time soon but that's probably for the wrong reasons - and I am curious to see how fast I can go downwind on it.
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Alain Jaques
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 20, 2007, 11:46:11 PM »
In the V10 Sport Ultra I have found a boat that is close to perfect for me. My priorities at the moment are safety, fun, comfort and speed in that order. I was expecting safety and comfort from the V10 Sport which it delivers in buckets. I hoped it would be fun and it really is, I was grinning from ear to ear and making whoop whoop sounds yesterday.
But what really blew me away is the speed, to give you an idea my best time for a Miller's Run is 54 mins which was done on a Mako6 in perfect conditions at my peak fitness. Yesterday I did 56 mins in the V10S in mild conditions without trying and after having paddled only 4 times in the last 6 months due to family commitments. I don't know how I managed that time because I only have the fitness to catch a fraction of the runs.
In this boat with some training I think I will comfortably break 50 mins. For me the V10S is the most under-rated boat on the market. And I haven't even mentioned the weight and quality of the Ultra which are superb. (if you can afford the Ultra it is a must).
When conditions are right we'll put Rob in the V10S Ultra and watch him set his new Millers best.
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David Toppi
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 21, 2007, 06:52:07 AM »
Question to Alian, when paddling out from a beach does the boat slap down on the back side of the wave? I have no fear of this in my fiberglass kayak, but how about the ultra?
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Dave
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Ritchie Cunningham
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 21, 2007, 09:26:55 AM »
For big downwind conditions the V10 is obviously a brilliant design, but for its intended purposes the Sport is basically in the same league. Much of the stability of the Sport derives from the 19" wide aft section behind the seat. If you study the hull profile of this section from the waterline to the deck, the hull begins to gracefully flare (out) and gain width from just below the waterline carrying through right to the deck line. This flared shape starts at the hump between the footwells and the bucket, and extends all the way to the stern. Maximum beam is attained at the deck line.
Although the Sport has decent primary stability, its main strength is its secondary stability, which is tremendous, and derives from this wide flared hull shape. I may be wrong, but I think good secondary stability is most critical in big downwind conditions where aggressive paddling is required for gaining bursts of speed while surfing down and through swells, in order to continue linking into the bumps forming up ahead.
Having the stability to deliver 5 or 6 fast strokes while angling down a long steep face, can make all the difference between hopping over to the next bump or not. Sometimes at the top of a crest when you are just about to take off on a big drop, the hole in front of you might offer the option of a bigger or better swell to the left or right, and a burst of speed is needed to get the boat pointed over to the right direction. Basically, the Sport helps an intermediate paddler to paddle more aggressively in precarious situations.
Lastly, the Sport is 19" wide and is often compared to other skis that are 19" wide. I'm going to say that the Sport does not act like most 19" skis, because most of its beam is carried above the waterline, and up near the deck.
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Alain Jaques
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Re: V10 Sport Ultra
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December 21, 2007, 10:03:19 AM »
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when paddling out from a beach does the boat slap down on the back side of the wave? I have no fear of this in my fiberglass kayak, but how about the ultra?
I would not worry about slapping on the back of a wave, I don't know of any boat that has suffered damage from slapping the back of a wave. (I have felt my back and kidneys wince from slapping down after launching a peaking wave though). From what I have learned the Ultra is very strong structurally is but sensitive to sharp objects. Waves are fine but other boats, rocks and mother earth are potentially a problem.
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