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Janita
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« on: January 14, 2008, 11:55:32 PM »

OK...here's my first question to this forum...can anyone recommend some back to basics drills for perfecting sound technique? All sports have drills, so what about ski paddling?

I have been paddling my Hayden ski for about 6 years after coming from an outrigging background.
Unfortunately, my technique still suffers from lack of fundamental stroke correction in the early stages.
I have been told by some damn good paddlers that I pull the stroke back too far (which I can feel and it sounds horrible...that wooshing sound behind you) and I know that my stroke rate is way lower than other paddlers because I can feel myself 'muscling through' the stroke (which is the outrigging way of approaching things).
Gradually, I am fixing the late exit by repeating to myself the mantra "let it go, let it go"...the water that is. I spent 90 minutes recently with Rod Taylor at Mooloolaba in a one-on-one coaching session which was absolutely fantastic. He did teach me one drill, but I am wondering if there are other drills that I can use to 'de-construct' the stroke and take it back to the elementals.

Another question is....when you DO get the technique right (even fleetingly) isnt it true that it feels unmistakedly RIGHT....what I mean is, I feel fairly confident that I know when my technique is hitting the spot and I've hit the right groove, coz straight away it feels so damn good? That smooooothness and stability and ease? So without an expert over my shoulder saying "You've got it girl!", that it is safe to rely on the feel coz when good technique kicks in....you can almost hear the hummmmm? The goal now is to extend that feeling from 5 seconds to at least 5 minutes then maybe 50 minutes!! Smiley

I train on flat water usually (there's no surf in Hervey Bay) so I have water that would be suitable to hold World Sprints...kms and kms of it!

Thanks in advance and thank you to the forum and website
Janita K
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 12:42:05 AM »

Hi Janita,

I bought the Brent Reitz Forward Stroke DVD from lloyd @ fastkayak.com  in the US .It was delivered to Aus in a week and really helped with technique. (EPIC have one as well and there is a section on this site on forward stroke by Oscar/Greg).

There are also a lot of clips on youtube

I find no matter how good i feel on flatwater with technique it goes out the window in a messy ocean.

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 11:54:37 AM »

I have recently heard of a drill advocated by Zsolt for deconstructing one's existing stroke.  You should talk to him about it, but the basic idea is that you spend multiple weeks deliberately doing nothing other than what I would describe as "impulse strokes" which consist of nothing other than suddenly applying power for a fraction of a second.  The power is applied for only ~1 food of distance, and you try to pull your paddle out at your knees.  A high stroke rate is not used--instead, you really focus on getting a very hard catch at the beginning of the stroke.  Really, you are not doing an entire stroke--just a catch.

I am sure that Zsolt's program is much more involved than just what I have described, but the above drill sounds like it is just what you need.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 09:14:03 PM »

I hope Big O, Dawid and the other top South African paddlers can share their training drills as well.

There are some bits and pieces on surfski.info but nothing as specific as you are looking for.  I both have the Reitz and Barton/Chalupsky dvd.  I just dont know if the bent elbow technique of Reitz is correct.  However he seems to be a better teacher if we compare the dvds.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 10:28:36 PM »

Janita.

I think a good method is to have an expert check you and your normal paddling partner's technique and explain any 'issues' with both techniques and what to look out for in each others technique.

There is then the possibility that your technique can be checked on a regular basis by your partner.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 02:41:34 AM »

We had a great session on a lake with Oscar Chalupsky two weeks back.  He got us to consider the stroke in four steps.

The first was to focus on the "bottom" arm in the stroke - to plant the paddle and rotate without bending the arm - at least at the catch.  The exit is opposite the hip and the paddle naturally "flies" out at that point.

Second step, focus on the upper arm (in the stroke).  This should not be straight at the catch - Oscar said my fundamental problem was that I was keeping both arms straight at the catch, which meant that the paddle blade was already at an inefficient angle when I planted the blade.

Oscar had us on the shore, rotating while keeping the arms bent in front of us - the shape described by arms, body and paddle is the "box".  That box shape needs to remain all through the stroke.

Steps 3 & 4 are the same as 1 & 2 but on the other side.

I'm probably describing it incorrectly but I'm working on an article with the Big O that will hopefully explain it a bit better - in the meantime the Forward Stroke DVD is a great one to watch.

Oscar recommended spending time on flat water in a stable boat - practising 20 strokes of each of the 4 parts i.e. you're paddling on one side at a time, focusing either on the bottom or top arm, 20 strokes of each.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 04:15:13 AM »

Thanks to everyone for such great and prompt feedback.
I am reading it all thoughtfully, will print it out and re-read at night so I'll know what to do when the alarm goes off in the morning.
Keep this thread going please if anyone else has some ideas...and I will give you some feedback once I have a chance to put it into practice and hopefully notice the results.
Thanks again and I'm still listening... Smiley
Janita K
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2008, 08:10:04 AM »

Well not much to add - I am not nearly as qualified as some others to give tips, but I have to recommend the "paddling on one side" drill mentioned above.  I think it has done a lot for my stroke and it definitely transforms the stroke of the beginners that I have introduced to paddling.  Give it a try - 10 to 20 strokes on one side then the other.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 04:14:02 PM »

"paddling on one side"


Probably the worst drill I could think of.


But each to their own I guess.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 10:45:20 PM »

OK...went out this morning to put all the above advice into action. The result?

Conditions were a light wind driven chop so I headed straight into and out of it.
Tried the paddling on one side, with the intention of concentrating on the entry, entry, entry!!
Pulling it out at my hip and go again and again and again.
Felt really dorky  Embarrassedto start with, coz without the momentum of a normal 'follow through' in the recovery phase, it felt first of all like I was just jabbing the water in a really ineffectual way....however...
after a while I got the feel of it in the sense that if I concentrated on almost locking my arms and crunching the abs when you are at maximum rotation before the entry, it felt really good.

The other drill that I was taught by Rod Taylor at Mooloolaba was to basically pause mid-air for a second or 2 when you have both hands at eye height and are half way through the recovery on one side and entry on the other...so from the paused position, you concentrate on a nice clean entry.
So the one sided paddling and this drill kinda were linked. The effect?
By the end of the session, I felt like something was clicking (in my head...not my joints!) and my stroke felt smoother with a more emphasised rotation and you can feel your abs crunch on entry.(which I am hoping is what you are meant to feel....am I right?)
So...
...a good session, and although you feel like a dill doing drills, by the end of it, you've learnt something.
Is it just me or do most people seem to hit a nice smooth groove in the last 15 minutes of your training session and then you've got to rush off the water and get to work? Angry
Thanks for all the suggestions made on this thread...and keep them coming if anyone else has some ideas,
Janita  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 05:54:35 PM »

Janita,
If you feel you are pulling the stroke too far back, check your top hand.
Make sure that it is staying level through the power phase. If this hand drops, even a bit, it
will allow your bottom arm to pull back farther and deeper.
Also maybe instead of concentrating where the blade is in refererence to pulling out at the hip, use your bottom hand as a guide. Try to see that hand coming up about mid-thigh or earlier and all in one piece(wrist, forearm,elbow and shoulder).
And as I've been told before; try to move the whole stroke forward a few inches. Rotate to get a little more catch.
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