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Daryl Remmler
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Re: Legend
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Reply #45 on:
February 19, 2008, 09:23:22 PM »
Hello All,
Alain, it looks flat, but for example, a V10 is flatter. Per your comment, "looks slow", Ouch! Not slow, thank you.
Richard, secondary stabilty is achieved when the hull rolls and stability is provided before you fall in. Of course if you do fall in, this is a very stable position.
Gary, a chine refers to a relatively hard edge on a boat hull.
As all of you know, at this level it's about the engine, not the boat. See Greg Barton win the Blackburn Challenge in a fast touring boat. Great engine. Our goal with the Legend was to create a competitive boat that optimized the engine (you) for surfski racing. That means providing competitive speed WITH comfort AND stability for open ocean racing. This goal has been acheived.
While our use of chines on a surfski is new, the use of chines in paddlesports is not. This design feature has been used for centuries, and their characteristics are well known. Of course our take on how to use the chines is a little different, as it should be. This is how performance is pushed forward.
Best regards,
Daryl Remmler
Think Kayak Inc.
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Owen Phillips
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Re: Legend
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Reply #46 on:
February 20, 2008, 09:58:32 AM »
Didn`t Hayden in Australia incorporate mini-chines to the tail end of their ILS Spec skis a year or two ago?
Great to see more ski shapes and debate going on - keep it up guys!
Owen
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Ritchie Cunningham
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Re: Legend
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Reply #47 on:
February 20, 2008, 10:19:32 PM »
Daryl,
I think it is about the boat, especially at the non-elite level where the way a boat handles can have a significant effect on a paddlers performance. I hope to get a chance to try one out.
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Alain Jaques
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Re: Legend
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Reply #48 on:
February 21, 2008, 01:51:05 PM »
Sorry Daryl about the 'looks slow' comment. The full context is 'looks slow in the chop'. But I stand corrected that it is not the case. We look forward to getting some comments from paddlers or even getting the Legend reviewed. Any chance of getting one to Hawaii for the Molokai? Rob will be there.
Well done on the new design, with any different looking design there is bound to be speculation and opinions flying around.
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Stewart
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Re: Legend
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Reply #49 on:
February 21, 2008, 04:55:40 PM »
Quote from: Ritchie Cunningham on February 20, 2008, 10:19:32 PM
Daryl,
I think it is about the boat, especially at the non-elite level where the way a boat handles can have a significant effect on a paddlers performance. I hope to get a chance to try one out.
I would disagree with that Richie, particularly at non-elite level.
There are so many skis that cater for paddlers who are not racing at elite level, that allow you to get out on the water and develop your skis before progressing to faster, more unstable skis. In the Think range, this is covered by the Evo which is a fantastic ski for chasing runs, but is really comfortable and stable. The Legend is a step up in performance from the Evo, and once you have the skills required to master a ski like the Evo, then the Legend is there waiting to be tried.
The focus of The Think range is to provide skis that allow the paddler (the engine) to perform at his best. By providing a stable platform the paddler is focussed on getting the most out of each stroke, rather than balancing and trying to not fall in.
I think it's important for paddlers to know what level they are at, and that paddling the fastest ski isn't often the best way for them to go fast. Often when a paddler uses "slower" model skis they will perform better as the engine is more in tune with the chassis.
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Daryl Remmler
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Re: Legend
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Reply #50 on:
March 05, 2008, 10:21:49 PM »
Hi Ritchie,
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I've been travelling.
I agree with both your statement and Stewart's. At the non-elite level, it is more about the boat, because the boat needs to provide a platform that really does create confidence. This is where the Evo falls, yet it is still a very competitive design.
At the elite level, I believe it's mostly about the engine, as the boats all have roughly the same maximum velocity on flat water, and this has been the case for 15 years. I know, as I have pretty much owned them all. What has changed is that the boats have gotten progessively easier to paddle, without sacrificing speed.
I feel the Legend is the next step. It offers both greater secondary stability (in the elite boat class), and better downwind performance, than the current standard.
Best regards,
Daryl
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Stewart
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Re: Legend
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Reply #51 on:
March 09, 2008, 09:42:10 PM »
The Legend had it's first race in Australia yesterday at the Bridge to Manly race. 2 Legends used in the race, both finishing in the top 20.
Tommy Woodriff came in 5th and William Hardman 19th. Considering how flat the conditions were we're really happy. Next weekend's race should have heaps of chop and runs, which the Legend just loves. Looking forward to seeing how it performs.
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Stewart
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Re: Legend
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Reply #52 on:
March 13, 2008, 08:13:11 PM »
A few very rushed shots from the Bridge to Beach last weekend. Tommy and Willy on their Legends.
I've also got some of Jeremy and Caine which I'll send to Rob now to post up if he like them.
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Daryl Remmler
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Re: Legend
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Reply #53 on:
March 17, 2008, 02:00:39 AM »
I'm hoping that Will, the Australian customer who has had a Legend for a month now, will be getting a review into surfski.info in the next few days.
Thanks,
Daryl
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Willy
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Re: Legend
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Reply #54 on:
March 17, 2008, 05:17:27 AM »
"I'm hoping that Will, the Australian customer who has had a Legend for a month now, will be getting a review into surfski.info in the next few days."
Well I have had the Legend for a month and competed in 2 events in Sydney, Australia. I placed 19th in the Bridge to Beach and 10th in the Yarra Bay race in Sydney's Botany Bay.
I am used to paddling a spec ski (Slipstream). I have been keen to get into a lightweight modern ocean ski for a while. I part owned an XLR8 which i found quite good and stable in the big stuff. I also tried out a Mako 6 which my mate owns, I found it to be very fast but a little too unstable in choppy water for me. I guess i could have got used to it.
I started paddling 2 years ago with a squad of guys on kayaks - 'Jimsquad'. My background was a bit of surf swimming in the surf club. The coach is Jimmy Walker (former olympian) and now NSWIS coach. I was lucky because i got in with a group of good paddlers and certainly a good coach who gave me tips as to the right technique early on and monitored my technique as i went.
I also competed in the world cup race in durban last year and placed about 50th (i think). As you can see by my recent results, my paddling as a direct result of better technique and very fast ski has led to a rapid improvement.
As soon as i jumped on the Legend it was right for me. Very light (12kg) and felt just like paddling a kayak. It grabs the runs so well. I have been amazed at how easy it is to link runs out in the big stuff. Where before I would 'wallow' in between swells the legend allows me to glide across to the next swell or just simply go straight over the top to the next one. It feels like i have my bum on the deck and the rest of the ski is flying (I guess this is what the good paddlers feel when they are going well in races).
It is interesting time, my paddling is improving all the time and now my surfing as a direct result of using the legend has improved immensly.
I am hoping to do the Molokai race this year. A few other Sydney boys are heading over also. Should be a blast! I just hope the wind really blows and the swell is huge!! Give the Legend a true test.
Regards,
Willy
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alex francois
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Think EVO vs Legend vs Fenn XT Galss or Carbon
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Reply #55 on:
March 17, 2008, 06:52:14 PM »
I'm currently in a Fenn XT glass and thinking(excuse the pun) of getting a Think Evo or Legend in Kevlar...any views on pros ond cons from anyone who has paddled all 3...I am still fairly new to paddling but comfortable in the XT and wanting a faster boat...any opinions?
Thanks
Alex
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Willy
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Re: Legend
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Reply #56 on:
March 17, 2008, 10:15:02 PM »
Quote from: alex francois on March 17, 2008, 06:52:14 PM
I'm currently in a Fenn XT glass and thinking(excuse the pun) of getting a Think Evo or Legend in Kevlar...any views on pros ond cons from anyone who has paddled all 3...I am still fairly new to paddling but comfortable in the XT and wanting a faster boat...any opinions?
Thanks
Alex
Alex,
I have only paddled an Evo once and now own a Legend. I cannot comment on Fenn XT as i have never been on one.
The Evo is a very stable ski for someone who hasnt done too much paddling.
The Legend is also very stable but less stable than the Evo. It is narrower and has a radical new chimed hull design that seems to grab any size run with ease.
I own the light 12kg Legend and find it to be the fastest craft i have been on, this has alot to do with the weight and the stability. I dont miss a stroke when i paddle which has happened alot in the past.
The few times I have paddled out through the heads in Sydney where the water gets very rough due to the bouceback against the cliffs the Legend feels very stable. On the Legend i am able to hold my stroke and my speed togehter which i have never been able to do before.
I would recommend it to you, but you should contact the guys at Think to try it out for yourself.
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alex francois
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Re: Legend
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Reply #57 on:
March 17, 2008, 10:55:00 PM »
Thanks for the feedback Willie, I have organised to do a test run on both , so will be able to report back on comparison soon.
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superted
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Re: Legend
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Reply #58 on:
March 27, 2008, 06:27:58 PM »
Hi Willy have you had a chance to paddle in a big downwind like the southerly conditions over easter. If so how did the ski go with the big drops and drainage?
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Willy
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Re: Legend
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Reply #59 on:
April 07, 2008, 09:01:45 PM »
Quote from: superted on March 27, 2008, 06:27:58 PM
Hi Willy have you had a chance to paddle in a big downwind like the southerly conditions over easter. If so how did the ski go with the big drops and drainage?
Sorry for delay in replying i have been in WA for the Aussie surf titles.
I did one big day from La Perouse to Rose Bay but was sick the whole way, it was a virus and should not have paddled. The guys i paddled with took off and left me wallowing throwing up. Dont know how i made it, but i did. As i arrived at Rose Bay the boys were jumping back on their ski's to come and see where i was.
So to answer your question, no not during Easter. But will be the next few weeks in preparation for Molokai
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