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Adam Fahey
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« on: January 30, 2007, 10:38:50 PM »

Can anyone give me some advice on how to manage this problem? I had no problems in my Icon Molokai ski with a thin padded seat, now jumping back on a new spec ski (which has a slightly molded seat) & I can't paddle for any more than 25mins and my left leg goes numb?   Angry I've got some padding ready to glue on, but don't want to do it if it doesn't solve the problem. Cheers Undecided
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 11:13:10 PM »

Got the same problem. I am a beginner and paddle a stealth strika, in the sea i dont notice the problem (cos i fall out so much Wink but on flat water the legs also go numb. where exactly do you pud this pad. must it have holes cut out?
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 07:59:12 AM »

I am also a long time sufferer of the numb legs scenario. When I started paddling a few years back I could'nt paddle for more than 10 minutes at a time. I did some homework on sciatia and experimented with different padding options. What works for me is as follows:
   A foam pad approx 3cm in height and 2cm in width, taped across the full width of the bucket, located in the region where your butt meats your hamstrings. The pad works to lift your legs (sciatic nerve and veins) and thus relieves pressure.

This may be uncomfortable for a while but should provide some relief. The pad is constructed from several layers of closed-cell type foam from my hiking bedroll, which sells relatively cheap. Use duct tape in the beginning as you play around with pad placement before you decide to glue permanently. Placing a large sticker or similar plastic cover over the pad will alow you the freedom to slide around every now and then.

As I said this contraption works for me but may not work for anyone else. I would be interested to hear of any other ways to prevent this problem  Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 09:01:15 PM »

Its interesting to note that u only use a straight pad? I might give it ago. I have just cut out a contoured pad made from high density 6mm foam, in the shape of a U ....I'll keep you posted.  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 09:47:16 PM »

 Angry  Well my padding hasn't worked, so I'll try the strip instead.

I've noticed large amounts of hits to this topic......is this a very big issue that effects alot of paddlers?Huh.......if so we need more advice!!!!!! Cry
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2007, 10:38:22 AM »

For me, the sciatica problem originated with tight hamstrings and glutes.  Lots of flexibility work made a difference in the discomfort, but the base line problem was still there.  When I paddled a lot of K1, I found that when I decreased my running and cycling cross-training, especially running intensity, the incidence of sciatica problems was decreased as well.  I now plan my running volume and intensity carefully to complement my surfski training AND work on my flexibility.

Aside from all the preventative measures, I use a gel pad that sits in the seat well quite nicely and can be secured with adhesive backed velcro.  The one I use is called a "Skwoosh pad" (see link below) and I can paddle for hours numbness free.  Without it, depending on the seat shape I can handle anywhere from 10 (many K1 seats) to 90 minutes (Mako 6 and V10).

I find I can rotate nicely with this seat pad- maybe better than before.  No chafing or numbness to speak off.  And its warmer up slightly faster when a bucketful of cold water fills the seat!

Happy paddling!

Alan

http://www.skwoosh.com/Shop/tabid/301/CategoryID/8/List/1/SortField/0/Level/1/ProductID/23/Default.aspx

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2007, 07:59:07 PM »

From my past experience the only time I got the numb leg was when I started paddling different boats. First the mako, then I hopped into my next  millenium and got the numb leg. This again happened to the Epic. I found it was due to the slightly different seating arrangements and the fact I was not completely relaxed in the boat. After I "settled" into the boat all went away. I found the position where all is good and I now do not get any pains even after a three hour race.

In short, I believe time in your boat will solve the problem, but even so, a lot of guys install the precut Butt pads available from most retailers with two holes already cut out.

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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2007, 12:14:04 AM »

For me, the sciatica problem originated with tight hamstrings and glutes.  Lots of flexibility work made a difference in the discomfort, but the base line problem was still there.  When I paddled a lot of K1, I found that when I decreased my running and cycling cross-training, especially running intensity, the incidence of sciatica problems was decreased as well.  I now plan my running volume and intensity carefully to complement my surfski training AND work on my flexibility.

Aside from all the preventative measures, I use a gel pad that sits in the seat well quite nicely and can be secured with adhesive backed velcro.  The one I use is called a "Skwoosh pad" (see link below) and I can paddle for hours numbness free.  Without it, depending on the seat shape I can handle anywhere from 10 (many K1 seats) to 90 minutes (Mako 6 and V10).

I find I can rotate nicely with this seat pad- maybe better than before.  No chafing or numbness to speak off.  And its warmer up slightly faster when a bucketful of cold water fills the seat!

Happy paddling!

Alan

http://www.skwoosh.com/Shop/tabid/301/CategoryID/8/List/1/SortField/0/Level/1/ProductID/23/Default.aspx



Hi Alan,

Thanks for the link.  I previously underwent surgery for a slipped disk. That was in 93. I started paddling icf k1 in 97.  I just recently moved to surf ski after a long break (7 years).  I've read your other posts, appreciate the info you have put in here.

Mark
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 01:18:33 AM »

I used to paddle a Hammerhead, and i never cramped up.  I bought a Mark 1 about 7 monts ago, I couldnt even paddle for 20 minutes without cramping up.  The cramping was so bad that I, would concentrate more on trying to relieve the pain and not paddle.  At first I thougt it was because I was inflexible and Im not exactly the smallest guy around on a ski.  After a while I realised that the problem was that I was sitting to deep in the ski, my legs were cramping up because they were bent so much at my hips. 

After consulting Andrew at Brain`s Kayaks in Cape Town I bought 2 buttpads  and pair of heelpads for like R60.  That solved the problem instantly, more power and a hell of a lot more comfortable.

I just stuck the 2 buttpads on top of each other and stuck them in my cockpit, and the heelpads in the normal place.  Just play around with the position of the buttpads.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2007, 02:49:36 PM »

I too suffer from this problem.  The worst part is if you have a portage in a race or there is a run up the beach at the end of the race.  Embarassing to say the least.  Plus it adds minutes on to your time.

My lack of flexibility in the hammies and glutes seems to be the problem and like others, some skis are worse than others.

The padding of the seat did nothing for me.  Consistent stretching and sitting with improved posture has helped.  Another trick I learned is from Dave Kissane and Matt Rees.  Both have cut a section of garden hose the length of the seat and then sliced the hose down the middle.  They  place the hose in the centre of the seat.  Tape it to secure it.  Then place some rubber foam over the top and tape it as well.  The ridge runs between the butt cheeks and basically changes the point of contact.  You no longer are sitting on your sciatic nerve. 

Works for them and it worked for me.  You will get some odd looks and it is uncomfortable at first.    Other than that....take up yoga.

Rob - ask Dave about it this weekend.  You might even get a photo of his ski to see if he has set it up for the race on Sunday.

good luck,

Barnesy
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 08:10:48 AM »

Thanks, I too suffer from the same problem, I paddled an XT in and did not notice it until I tried the Mako 6 and V10 (10 minutes max).

I will try the various pads and send feedback
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2007, 09:25:33 AM »

I had pain when I was starting with my Mako.  First, I can't paddle it without a padded seat for very long, and it always ends up with bruising pain on my 'sit bones' for days after.  So I always keep padding taped in.

Second, I started doing piriformis stretches before paddling.  If I skip all other stretches, I make sure to still do this one (http://www.jaxmed.com/massage/p_leg_cross2_W.jpg .. actually I do the stretch standing up, crossing my leg and squatting/leaning forward).  It helps keep my lower half loose and comfortable the whole paddle.  I typically stretch my legs more (time wise) then my arms/back before setting out.  But I have very inflexible legs by nature.. 

There are probably some other hip flexor or piriformis stretches that might help your issue.  Good luck.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 04:38:04 AM »

I recently took Rob's Red 7 out set the peddles to the longest setting, and enjoyed the paddle for the first 15 minutes. Then the same old pain returned, so I took Nikki Mockes advice at moved my heels away form the foot plate (change the angle of the nerve)and in a matter of strokes the pain had disappeared. I ended up enjoy a great paddle for just over an hour. The only down side is that your knees are raised slightly making the ski a little less stable.
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2008, 06:25:40 AM »

Another success: After 3 years of increasing generalized left leg pain, finally got results. Pain would gradually increase over 20 minutes, with odd sensations behind my knee and top of ankle, eventually becoming throbbing gluteus pain that would disappear on exiting the boat. I tried the other post items with minimal relief- stretching, sitting on rubber hose, cut my foam seat into all kinds of shapes, drugs, physical therapy for leg stretching, ultimately an MRI which was abnormally normal. Also vigorous massage, acupuncture, et. al. Meanwhile, I was also running 15 miles per week, some weights, and normal work.
Finally found a local doc who, by elimination from my long list of notes involved in my pain history, recommended physical therapy on the SI joint: sacro-iliac joint, down by the base of the spine. This can cause inflammation of many of the small muscles in the butt region.

Three visits to the PT, (I spaced it out 2 weeks between appts) and following the scope closely, not doing more or less, and now have good paddles with minimal pain after 2 hour padddles. When it does set in, it is controlled pain and a minor distraction.
The first weeks exercises were super simple, no stress at all, and I wondered if it was doing anything at all. PT could tell the difference after the first week. By the third visit, the exercises were quite demanding and I could feel the good results while paddling- no pain.

If some one has a place to post/store the pdf files of the exercises, the PT has no problem with it. Let me know.
Steve.
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