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Written by Rob Mousley   
Sunday, 17 June 2007

ImageIt's not often that a totally new ski from a new manufacturer is released onto the market - but we were lucky enough to lay hands on just such a one in the form of the Oceans Pro ski from Honcho Surfskis. 

Here's what we found.

Andrew Fyfe - the "Head Honcho"

Andrew Fyfe has a history of fiberglass manufacture.  He spent school holidays at his father's factory - and shaped and glassed (and used) his own surfboard before the age of fifteen.  He says he's always had a fascination for the material.

While better known in South Africa for a premium brand of canopies for pickups, Andrew has manufactured a variety of products ranging from paddleskis to mini-caravans. 

So how did he get into the surfski business?  "My fiancée Jean is a sports enthusiast," he explained, "and we decided to start paddling together on a double ski."  When he saw the ski he'd ordered, he was unimpressed by the build quality.  "I can do better than that," he thought...

Design Team

Apart from Andrew himself, the design team included well-known Cape Town yacht designer Phil Southwell as well as paddlers Jamii Hamlin, Richard Kohler and John van der Vyver.  R&D has taken some eighteen months. 

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Detail from one of the CAD drawings

The plug was built up from profiles taken from CAD drawings, with wooden planking sanded to shape, in a similar manner to building a yacht hull.

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The plug was built using wood planking on frames

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Another view of the hull plug
 

Jamii Hamlin paddled the 2006 Discovery Men's Health series in the first prototype - and also completed the grueling 244km 2006 PE to EL Challenge in the ski.  Inputs from the testing were incorporated in the final design.

"First Looks"

First impressions?  The build quality is exceptional.  An interesting feature is the seam - which is almost invisible.  Andrew uses what he calls a "biscuit tin" join where the flange is included in the hull mould.   He says this is far stronger than the conventional practice of adding the flange as a separate piece. 

"Return to Shore Technology"

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'RTS Technology'?
 

The rudder box cover is fastened by two butterfly screws.  This enables the cover to be removed without a screwdriver - to reveal an innovative emergency steering solution.  Whether they're manufactured from steel cable or cord, rudder cables break (and it happened twice last season in extreme conditions to guys I was paddling with). 

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Hey presto - steering with one pedal
 

The Honcho solution comprises a short section of bungee cord that can be hooked onto one side of the tiller bar - the side that the rudder cable has broken - and hey presto!  Steering is possible with one pedal.  

Paddling the Honcho

We had the ski - one of the first out of the production mould - for two weekends during which we were able to try it in a variety of conditions.

My first taste of the Honcho was on a flat calm sea at Fish Hoek.  Setting it up was straight forward - the rudder pedal adjusts easily with what has become a conventional mechanism - pull a cable in front of the footplate and move the entire assembly until it clicks into place at the desired spot.  The rudder cable adjustment is innovative - a butterfly screw that can be tightened by hand.  On the ski we had the screw impacted directly onto the cable (potentially damaging it) - but Andrew says that new skis will have a slightly more involved adjuster where a metal plate protects the cable from the screw.

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Robust pedal assembly
 

On the water the ski felt pretty good - a little tippier than the Mako6, but ok.  There was some small surf breaking on the beach & I took the ski in and out a couple of times - it seemed to pop over the waves easily going out & to catch them readily on the way in. 

The next day I took the ski out again from Hout Bay.  We went out to Vulcan Rock and back on an oily calm sea.  Although I again felt the ski to be tippy, I became more and more used to it as time went on and on the way back from Vulcan Rock to Seal Island I had fun catching the small swells that were running in the same direction.  There is no doubt: this ski catches runs very easily.

Seat Position

At Seal Island I swapped skis with Alain Jaques.  On climbing into his ski I felt as though I was sitting back in an armchair and I realized how comfortable the Honcho's seat position is - you feel as though your heels are well below the level of your backside and your body is left in the ideal posture for the paddle stroke.

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Paddling the Honcho
 

Alain immediately took to the ski, also finding it easy to catch the small runs on offer.  Al owns a Fenn Millennium and agreed that the Honcho, although tippier than the Mako6 is "nowhere near" as tippy as the Millennium.

He also highlighted a problem that would become very apparent the following weekend - the poor cockpit drainage.  We were chasing a tourist boat, riding its wake, when I broached into him and caused him to fall off the ski.  He remounted handily but the tumble left the cockpit full of water and it took a while for it to drain.

Speed

How fast is any ski?  Hmm... sticking my neck out with this one.  To be sure, comfort and familiarity play a major role with how well and how fast a particular paddler can perform in a ski.  However - I'll stick my neck out and say that I think this is quite a fast ski. 

The day after our first trip, my paddling buddy Dale Lippstreu and I went with a group of other paddlers out to Vulcan Rock again.  Again the chop was not severe, but neither was the sea totally flat.  We paddled, not at race speed, but at about 85% effort i.e. we were going hard but not all out.  The GPS was registering between 11 and 12km/h.  That's a fair speed for me and I was impressed with the ski.

After the paddle, Dale & I had a couple of dices on the flat water of Hout Bay harbor.  Both of us were faster on his ski, a V10L Ultra - but that wasn't unexpected given that his ski is almost half the weight of the glass layup Honcho.

Stability

My balance is not legendary - and to give some perspective on this I should mention that I find some of the older top end ski designs difficult to handle in chop.  On the other hand I find the Fenn Mako6 and V10 comfortable in almost any conditions.  So - how does the Honcho compare?

I found the ski more tippy than the Mako6, but less so than the Fenn Millennium and in moderately choppy conditions in Hout Bay on my third paddle on the Honcho, I felt pretty comfortable. 

Upwind Paddling

While paddling into chop in Hout Bay, both my companion and I noticed the relative quietness of the Honcho going upwind.  Perhaps it's to do with the rocker on the hull, but it definitely wasn't slapping the waves.

Downwind Paddling

The following weekend saw a northwester blowing at about 25knots - ideal for a downwind paddle from Fish Hoek to Millers Point.  This time I was paddling with Damian Feuilherade - with whom I usually have a close dice when we're both on our Mako6's. 

 

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The ski has quite pronounced rocker

The first half of the run went well - the Honcho confirmed for me its outstanding ability to catch - and maneuver on small waves and I was easily able to stay ahead of Damian as far as the lighthouse.  At this point though, things changed.

I took off diagonally down a bigger wave and broached, the rudder completely stalled and the cockpit filled with water.  Instantly the character of the ski changed from lively to wallowing, and I found it very difficult to get rid of the water.  Even when I caught a big wave, the nose of the ski dug in and more water poured into the cockpit straight over the foredeck.  It must have taken a good five minutes to drain by which time Damian was out of sight.

All was well for a while and then I broached off a wave again and the whole sorry saga repeated itself.

At the end of the run I was focused on catching the runs when I suddenly realized that there were no more buildings on shore and that I was heading off by myself towards the South Atlantic.

Turning round I paddled diagonally upwind across the wind and waves.  At issue was not the stability of the ski, but again the water that flooded the cockpit.  I arrived at Millers Point after everyone else to much derision of my navigational skills.

Extreme Choppy Conditions

The following day, Damian and I paddled from Hout Bay in extremely rough water.  Big (3m) ocean swells were coming into the bay and the waves reflecting off the cliffs created a washing-machine effect, creating perhaps the most testing conditions possible.

I had put Damian onto the Honcho, taking his ski for myself.  Damian weighs some 95kg and I wanted to see how he would find the stability of the Honcho in the extremely nasty conditions. 

We paddled around the edge of the bay, through all the worst reflected chop and then out to Vulcan Rock and back.

Again the lack of cockpit drainage let the ski down, and Damian battled to keep up.  On the way back from Vulcan he was able to catch some tricky runs, proving once more the skis downwind capabilities, but overall he didn't enjoy it - in those conditions.

What I like about the Honcho

  • The build quality.  Apart from looking good, the ski construction is apparently strong - Jamii Hamlin reports being dumped in eight foot breakers at Monwabisi near Strand with no damage to the ski.
  • The solid-feeling footplate and rudder pedals.
  • The "Return to Shore Technology" of the rudder - although I didn't get to test it and I suspect that the bungee fitted to the ski we tested was not strong enough.
  • The seating position.  As Alain said, "The big plus for me is that I really felt I was getting a more powerful stroke."
  • The instant response when you take off down a wave.
  • The steering on flat water - the ski turns on a dime.
  • The adjustable footstrap.
  • The locker in front of the cockpit - for stowing keys/flares, etc.
  • It's easy and comfortable to remount. 

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A clean looking hull
 

What I don't like about the Honcho

  • The cockpit drainage.
  • The steering when catching a big wave - the ski tends to broach quite easily.
  • The rudder pedal assembly rails which stick out proud from the sides of the cockpit - Damian specifically mentioned this as he rubbed his ankle on them. 

 

Overall

Overall we felt that there were a lot of positives to report on this ski - and although the negatives (drainage and steering in big downwind conditions) were fairly serious, Andrew Fyfe said that he had already modified both the scuppers and the rudder to take care of them.

I think that this is a worthy addition to the surf ski market and that once the bugs are worked out, it will find favor with a wide variety of intermediate to advanced paddlers.

Website

The Honcho website is at: http://www.honchosurfskis.co.za/

In the meantime the company may be contacted at:

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Phone: +27 21 557 8762

Mobile (Jean):  +27 83 233 2670

Mobile (Andrew): +27 83 377 4486

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nice.
written by tyrell, June 18, 2007
I think its great to see new ski`s coming out. The ski looks great in the pictures. Rob, you said that they were fitting scuppers to it so it would drain better. What type of drainage system did it have when you tested it? I wish Honcho all the best, they obviously have put alot of work into the ski. Well done guys.
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scuppers
written by Rob Mousley, June 18, 2007
The ski we tested had a single drain with a metal "scupper" affixed to the bottom of the hull.

I believe that they're making both hole & scupper bigger to improve the drainage.
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Mako 6?
written by Karl Treacher, June 18, 2007
Is it just me, or does anyone else think this thing looks just like a Mako 6 (just 30% different). Spose not or eveyone would be throwing all the toys out of the cot and wailing like their pants were full and mum was nowhere in sight.

Be interesting to know where they got their template.
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Developments
written by GD, June 18, 2007
Great to see the steering being made - so it can be sorted at sea. Also great to see you can change leg length buy turning screw - not key - like traditional steel cable ski's. The quick rudder fix is an excellent, excellent idea. Well done.

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written by Gary Kroukamp, June 18, 2007
I would be a bit concerned about those wingnuts on the rudder assembly cover injuring me should I come off in surf and have the boat washing against me. Can't think of an obvious alternative apart from leaving the cover off completely. But then that would be 100% copy of someone who had taken and left off their Fenn cover...
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Wingnuts
written by Alain Jaques, June 18, 2007
I have seen nuts with a flip-up semi circular grip, these would be ideal. The aircraft industry may be a good place to find suitable latches.

And Gary stop pulling our chain about the 100% copy or we'll reposess your Garmin smilies/grin.gif
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Wingnuts and rudders
written by Dale Lippstreu, June 18, 2007
I have taken to leaving the rudder assembly cover off because salt build up (and thus corrosion)is far worse if it is closed. An open rudder box also makes it easier to check reguarly for cable damage and other signs of pending failure.

One thing not mentioned in the review is that most of the paddlers who tried the Honcho found that the rudder produced a noticeable roll effect. This does not surprise me as the demo ski had a very high aspect ratio (i.e. long thin) rudder. I noticed that a similar rudder had a similar effect on my V10. It would be interesting to try the ski with a broader eliptical rudder - I suspect both turning and stability would be improved.
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Rudder
written by Alain Jaques, June 18, 2007
I noticed the rudder induced roll immediately and it was off-putting at first. After a while though I began to anticipate the roll-effect of applying rudder. I assume the rationale behind such a high aspect rudder is that being longer a larger portion of the rudder remains in the water when back of the ski is out of the water.

Although decreasing the roll effect, wouldn't fitting a shorter rudder hasten the loss of rudder control on runs and therefore increase the chances of broaching?
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written by Danny Van Wilder, June 19, 2007
I read Honcho.

I see Fenn 6.

If this ski was built in Australia they'd be hell to pay.
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Just a thought.
written by Flick., June 19, 2007
I for one will be going onto Honcho`s website when its finished and will make up my own mind then. Intill then, i see 1 cad drawing and 2 photo`s of the acctual plug being made, yet no proof has ever been given by Fenn for how they came up with their newer boats (which i think is fine as no one should have to justify how they made their boat). But, we all know a Fenn6 has the exact size (cm for cm - i have messured) cockpit as a V10 and well as very similair (nearly excact) hull lines. Just because we have manufacturers that we prefer it doesnt mean they are always the one in the know. Sometimes they also take ideas from new comers smilies/wink.gif
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WHERE ARE THE LONG AWAITED REPLIES FROM THE BOAT MANUFACTURERS
written by PARKSY, June 19, 2007
ROB I EAGERLY AWAIT TO SEE THE INPUT YOU ASKED FROM THE BOAT MANUFACTURERS ABOUT KNOCK OFFS.
I BET YOU HAVE NOT ONE YET.WONT HOLD MY BREATH WAITING FOR THEM TO TELL YOU HOW THEY STARTED FROM SCRATCH BUILDING A PLUG.
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Dear Danny
written by Gary Kroukamp, June 19, 2007
We put the new Honcho and the Fenn Mako 6 next to each other on the beach after the trial paddle in Hout Bay. Different lines, my china. Very different rocker. Certainly feels different on the water too. You're off the mark here.
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Thanks.
written by Flick., June 19, 2007
Thank you for making it clear to other people that its not a copy.
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Honcho in the USA
written by P Hemmens, June 20, 2007
Will have the pro and the rookie here in So Cal first part of August.
Call to check it out. Can put you in a 6 too for comparisons.
Ocean Paddlesports
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written by Danny Van Wilder, June 20, 2007
Gary, I stand corrected. But surely you can see where I made the assumption?

At the end of the day there are only so many ways you can slice a surfski. The more models there are - the more will look suspiciously similar and the people will make the wrong call, as I have just done. I aplogise.

As Parksy put it, it will be interesting to see Rob's report on the maufacturer's knock off's views. Now that will be interesting reading?

I am sure the guys at Honcho have put the work in and I wish them luck with the ski.

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Head Honcho @ Honcho ssurf skis.
written by Andrew Fyfe., June 20, 2007
HI ROB AND ALL READERS.
FIRSTLY ROB, THANK YOU FOR A SUPERB ARTICLE ON THE OCEANS PRO.WE HAVE SORTED THE COCKPIT DRAINAGE ISSUE. ALSO THANKS DALE FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM RE THE SHAPE OF OUR RUDDER. I THINK YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD RE THE HIGH ASPECT RATIO OF THE FIN, AND WE WILL BE CONDUCTING TESTS WITH A NEW ELIPTICAL SHAPE SHORTLY.
REGARDING RIP OFFS, AND THE FEW COMMENTS I HAVE SEEN, LETS HAVE AN OPEN DAY AT THE HONCHO FACTORY, I WELCOME ALL SCEPTICS TO VIEW OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN WORK (PLUG) IN THE FLESH.
THANKS AGAIN ROB FOR A GREAT ARTICLE.
REGARDS ANDREW.
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Honcho
written by Joseph 666, June 20, 2007
G'Day,
Again nice to hear about a new Ski, is it the photo or is the bucket forward on this ski? and if forward would this be the problem om the big swell slideing out of the stearn?
I love when people today talk about the great feel and there feet are below there runp and paddle angle feels great running, that is the way all ski's were till the new age deep bucket thing came about, and that my freands is what a great ski should feel like not the what am I doing down here feel?

Cheers and good luck mabe well get to see one in FL u.s. Joseph
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Rail rubbing on leg.
written by Damian Feuilherade, July 06, 2007
Hi Andrew - just another piece of information that may be of use. On my paddle with Rob, being a taller paddler, I had to move the foot plate well forward. In teh forward position I found that the front end of the black rails (into which the foot plate secures itself)was rubbing against the outer side of my leg at the calf position. This could easily be resolved by removing 15mm off the front of the rail or covering it with something less abrasive.

Other than that I really enjoyed the comfort of the ski and look forward to giving it another run now that the drainage issue has been sorted. Cheers Damian.
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Thoughts on the Honcho Rookie
written by Txski, October 21, 2007
Has the Honcho Rookie been taken fo a spin yet. With the length of the big boys, and slightly narrower than the EVO, V10 Sport or XT, maybe this could provide a good combination of speed and stability? 21'3" x 18.75"
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Rookie
written by Rob Mousley, October 21, 2007
One of our women paddlers has raced her Rookie twice now and is very happy with it - we're working on a review article.
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