Paddle leash

9 months 1 week ago #30818 by SpaceSputnik
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A newbie question.
I am confused about using a paddle leash. Seems like a basic question but I am struggling to find a clear answer.
Is paddle leash to be used all the time? Specific conditions? On sea kayaks there are no leashes but you are supposed to carry a spare paddle.
My case would mostly be flat water if that makes a difference. If I went by my sea kayak training I would strap a spare to the rear deck of my V7 and be done with it. With a paddle leash can't help wondering about the increased entanglement potential.
Can someone please set my head straight?

Thanks.

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9 months 1 week ago #30819 by Ranga
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Who told you to have a paddle leash? I don`t know of anyone that uses one!
Leg leash is all that is required so the ski will not blow away in strong winds.

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9 months 1 week ago #30821 by SpaceSputnik
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There are topics in this site discussing paddle leashes, hence the question.

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9 months 1 week ago #30823 by PSwitzer
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If you only carry a spare paddle, you can still lose your whole rig if you capsize in windy conditions and the boat (with spare paddle securely attached) blows away at a shocking clip.

I used a paddle leash when I was younger and didn't have any money for a leg leash. Tied a cord around the foot strap then to center of paddle. If you capsize you won't lose the boat as long as you hang on to the paddle. If you did somehow let go of the paddle, my theory was that it would act as a sea anchor and slow the boat/ keep it from rolling so you could swim to it before it blew away in the wind. Worked fine but slightly more hassle than a proper leg leash.

I don't see any reason to use both paddle leash + leg leash. If you needed to stop and jump in to execute some kind of jury rig repair I suppose the paddle leash would allow you to stay hands free easily.

I believe the touring sea kayaker folk bring a spare paddle in case of breakage and you are far from land or on a multi day trip or whatnot. For surfskis this is overkill since you can get a ski back to land with no paddle at all by sitting normally in the bucket and double stroking with your hands like a paddleboard (with practice).

Years ago I broke a carbon paddle during an offshore downwind run when I was a couple miles out. Was able to use just one blade - the right side- and keep enough speed to catch runs and angle back to land.
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9 months 1 week ago #30824 by feeny
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I don't use one, and I've watched people get their leg leash and paddle leash well tangled up at the most inopprtune moments!

If I were to use one, I'd probably try practicing with some sort of wrist lanyard. One end loosely around the paddle shaft (it needs to move, just not be able to move past the blade), the other around a wrist.

That ought ensure that the paddle can't run away and avoid tangles.
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9 months 1 week ago #30826 by SpaceSputnik
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The more I think about the more uncomfortable I get with the idea. Carrying a spare seems more reasonable. Tried strapping one to the rear deck yesterday, seems to work fine with some extra rigging and retrievable while seated.

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9 months 1 week ago #30827 by Newbflat
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I use one in all conditions except flatwater with no wind. It’s a small diameter bungee with a loop tied in it slightly smaller than the paddle shaft on one end and a small snapshackle on the other. I snap it to my PFD. It’s just a little longer, maybe 3 inches than my stretched out arms holding my paddle. I had to sew a loop onto my Mocke PFD as there isn’t one. It works great. I don’t know it’s there when I paddle, it’s not too long, never gets tangled on anything, stays with me wherever I go like back to the rudder, I can let my paddle go and attend to anything I need to, I can help someone else and not worry about my paddle, use a Marine VHS raído and hang on to my or another sk without worrying about the paddle ..etc. It’s way more useful than it has disadvantages and I consitterimg it a critical pice of safety gear on a downwind especially. Coming from a sea kayaking background myself I think a spar paddle is a good idea but for what ever reason don’t use one. Even if I carried one I would still use my leash for sure.


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9 months 1 week ago #30828 by wesley
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I am with Newbflat. Since my sea kayaking days obviously used one but that carried over to my surfski days. I 99.9% use my paddle leashes for the same reasons Newbflat pointed out. I tried leg leash many times and comfortable using them, and have 4 hanging up next to my paddles. I have paddle leashes attached to everyone of my skis, not velcro but simple loop and ball system from Lendal(pre 2017 are the better ones). No fuss remounting with paddle leash, I can perform assisted rescue or lay paddle in water if I truly need 2 hands. Paddle also slows down blown ski marginally if become separated. I think most surfski paddles just use a leg leash because they see most guys use them without ever using a paddle leash or even thinking about it.

So great question and topic.


Yes I have used both, extremely rare and I did practice using both but I don't recommend it. I did use body leash and paddle leash also but I need better system for my body leash similar to one of my buddies or one that had been talked about on this forum.

Wesley Echols
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9 months 1 week ago - 9 months 1 week ago #30829 by SpaceSputnik
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So let me make sure I understand. You use a paddle leash but not a leg leash? Do you attach it to the boat or pdf?

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9 months 1 week ago #30830 by wesley
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Yes paddle leash to boat. I dont use velcro paddle leashes.

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9 months 1 week ago #30831 by nwsurfskier
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I use both leg leash to boat and paddle leash to pfd. The leg leash is the coiled surf type and paddle is cord attached to pfd. Used this setup for many years and never had an issue. You've got to consider what is worse, getting a paddle leash tangled and dealing with that or being offshore without a paddle.
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9 months 1 week ago #30832 by robin.mousley
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I use a belt leash to keep connected to the boat - I injured my knee using a leg leash years ago and have been averse to them ever since.

And I use a thin bungie paddle leash attached to the foot strap. The reason I use a paddle leash is so that I can let the paddle go either when I'm trying to fix something on my ski or, as I've done a number of times, help someone else with their ski.

And yes, on occasion when falling in, the two leashes have tangled, but all that means is that you have to slow down and disentangle them. It's never been a serious problem - and I've swum in fairly hectic conditions.

If I'm paddling on calm water, I'll discard belt leash first and perhaps the paddle leash too - but I've embarrassed myself on occasion doing that too, when the weather has changed and I've suddenly felt very exposed without half my safety gear...! Best to use it all, all the time so that you never get caught out.

Rob

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Previously: Think Evo II, Carbonology Zest, Fenn Swordfish, Epic V10, Fenn Elite, Red7 Surf70 Pro, Epic V10 Sport, Genius Blu, Kayak Centre Zeplin, Fenn Mako6, Custom Kayaks ICON, Brian's Kayaks Molokai, Brian's Kayaks Wedge and several others...

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9 months 1 week ago - 9 months 1 week ago #30834 by SpaceSputnik
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I see the point about being able to hand paddle back to shore. I doubt you can do it in a sea kayak, except maybe if equipped with a rudder.
Loosing a paddle during a hectic wet exit in a kayak is a very real possibility since you are going all the way under the boat, detach the skirt and get out. Gets pretty hectic sometimes. They teach you always hold on to your boat and paddle but I have let go of a paddle on occasion, so carrying a spare is a must in a kayak.
I will probably still carry one for the piece of mind. It does not take a lot of space on the rear deck.

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9 months 1 day ago #30868 by davgdavg
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Really bad idea to not be connected to the boat if you paddle in the ocean. Figure out a way that works for you and do it. Paddle, meh, that's not going to blow away though you might lose sight of it I guess.

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9 months 1 day ago #30871 by SpaceSputnik
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Yeah, I am not questioning the leg leash, just the paddle leash. But then maybe both are fine, I will need to try it out.

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9 months 1 day ago #30872 by robin.mousley
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I had an issue with my paddle leash at the finish of a hectic downwind race yesterday... As I tried to get out of the boat, the leash caught in my foot...

The problem is that you have to cross the line with your boat in most races in South Africa - otherwise I just toss the paddle away.

I need to practise this one!

Rob

Currently Fenn Swordfish S, Epic V10 Double.
Previously: Think Evo II, Carbonology Zest, Fenn Swordfish, Epic V10, Fenn Elite, Red7 Surf70 Pro, Epic V10 Sport, Genius Blu, Kayak Centre Zeplin, Fenn Mako6, Custom Kayaks ICON, Brian's Kayaks Molokai, Brian's Kayaks Wedge and several others...
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8 months 3 weeks ago #30890 by pprin
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This string was very helpful. Over the weekend I did my first workout in higher wind (25-35 mph) on a local lake with waves 2-4 feet. I did out and back runs with both a paddle leash connected to my pfd as suggested above and a leg leash. I fell off twice and while I did manage to get them tangled, the big advantage for me as a newbie was that I could relax, take my time remounting, and not worry about finding my paddle if I let go of it in the chop. I won't use the paddle leash in flat water but if the wind is up, I am sold on it.

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3 weeks 19 hours ago #32948 by Goosebrain
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Newbie here too. I mostly like to surf my V7 and can only imagine trying to hold on to a surfski in the surf zone with only your paddle leash. I know that the forces to be quite extreme even in small waves and to me the surfski tethered to the anchor in the footwell to either leg or paddle would put the ski side on to the waves. I’ve attached a longish tether (surfboard leash) to the front grab handle and attached by carabiner to my PFD. My logic for this is that I can hang onto the paddle whilst the ski is attached primarily around my waist and nose pointed straight into the breakers. Rightly or wrongly it seems to work for me without too much entanglement or fouling rudders et.al.

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3 weeks 18 hours ago #32949 by robin.mousley
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I mostly like to surf my V7


You're right on all counts and your solution sounds excellent - for playing in the surf zone.

As noted above I use a belt leash to stay in contact with the boat and a paddle leash so that I can let the paddle go without losing it. I don't use the paddle leash to stay in contact with the boat.

But my primary reason for using the belt leash is not to lose the boat out at sea. If I'm crossing the surf line, I'll unleash myself - if I come off I don't generally want to be near the boat in case it injures me. Besides which, the leash is likely to break in any case because of the forces you mention.

So: normal leash good for being out in the deep ocean; your kind of leash excellent for playing in the surf (and possibly for deep ocean too - I would just be concerned about the hassle of a long leash and the higher probability of it getting tangled.)

Rob

Currently Fenn Swordfish S, Epic V10 Double.
Previously: Think Evo II, Carbonology Zest, Fenn Swordfish, Epic V10, Fenn Elite, Red7 Surf70 Pro, Epic V10 Sport, Genius Blu, Kayak Centre Zeplin, Fenn Mako6, Custom Kayaks ICON, Brian's Kayaks Molokai, Brian's Kayaks Wedge and several others...

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3 weeks 18 hours ago #32950 by Goosebrain
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Gday Rob, I did consider the thought of the boat near me in the surf impact zone, but I think my prime responsibility is not to have the boat injure another person in the surf zone. I find that the tether to my PFD and the boat streaming nose to the waves feels controlled and I can gather my thoughts on how to get out of the surf impact zone (not that easy as I’ve experienced). I am intrigued as to what type of belt leash you have. Is it still attached to your PFD or a seperate brace type system?

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