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11 Jan 2019 09:21
In 2013 there were about 50 ski designs on the list, today (January 11th, 2019) it`s up to 238 and there must a few more out there that are absent. Feel free to let me know what`s wrong with/missing from the list.
Happy paddling all!

Owen
(present set up: Stellar SEI 2G in Advantage lay-up, and Knysna Racing Delta L paddle.)


Surfski Width x Length Chart – January 4th 2019

Manufacturer Name of Ski Width Length

O'Krea Oya 40 605

Huki S1-Z 40.64 635
Huki S1-A 40.64 5588

Scofits Ayahavela SSR 41 633
Scofits Ayahavela Bullet 41 633
Knysna Mc Gregor Classic (2018) 41 590

Stellar SEA (June 2018-) 41.2 619.5

Carbonology K1 Downriver ski 41.5 520

Stellar SES 41.6 620

Neumann Adventure Racing 42 660
Vajda Orca 42 650
Think Uno (pre 2016) 42 648
DD3 Envy 42 645
Sipre Sea Vortex 42 645
Knysna Genius G40 (2018) 42 640
Nelo M/XL (2010) 42 640
DD3 Turbo G2 (2017) 42 638
Elio Mazu Pro I 42 627

Fenn Elite SL 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Spark 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Glide 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Surge (2018) 42.5 582
Epic K1T  42.5 520

Kai Wa'a Vega (2018)  42.7  640

Allwave CX 42.8 640
Allwave DNA (August 2018) 42.8 640
Ocean Built Kona K-64 42.8 640
Ocean Built Konastorm KS-64 42.8 640

Epic V14 (2g) 42.9 640

Kayak Pro Oquendo 43 659
Zed Tech Dominator 43 658
Honcho Oceans Pro 43 647
Knysna Genius GTO (2018) 43 645
Opium Infinity 43 645
Think Uno (2016) 43 645

Think Uno Max 43 645
Fenn Mako Elite 43 644
Think Legend 43 643
DD3 Turbo (2012) 43 640
Epic V12 (2g) 43 640

Epic V14 (1g) 43 640
FG Lampu (Jan 2019) 43 640
Flow Kayaks Addict 43 640
Flow Kayaks Sharpski 43 640
Knysna Genius 40 (pre 2018) 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro (to 2017) 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 64 (2018) 43 640

Revo R1 43 635
Carbonology Flash (2017) 43 635
Honcho Extreme 43 634
Vajda Next 43 630
Knysna Genius 20 43 628
Nordic Kayaks Fusion (2009) 43 625
Ozean OSS 2 43 6245

Elio Pro Elite 43 620
O'Krea Ozo 43 616
Carbonology Pulse 43 605
Knysna Mc Gregor Classic (2017) 43 600
Epic V11 1g (2017) 43 579
Sipre Ackua (2018) 43 575
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 1 Super 43 565

Huki S1-X 43.18 640

Epic V10 g1(2005-2012) 43.4 650
Epic V10L (old) 43.4 650

Red7 Surf70 43.5 660
DD3 XLR8 43.5 655
Ozean OSS I 43.5 6495
Stellar SEL 2G 43.5 645
Vajda Hawx 43.5 643.5

Epic V12 (g1) 43.5 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro+ 43.5 640
Seabird 6.4 43.5 640
Vajda Hawx 43 43.5 633

Kayak Centre Eos 660 43.6 660

Custom Kayaks Bullet ?? 640

Ygara Xama 44 660
Stellar SEL 1G 44 655
DD3 Albatross Gen 6 44 650
DD3 Albatross 44 648
Opium Molokai 44 644

Kayak Sipre Sea Vortex + 44 642
Fenn Mako 6 44 640
Nelo XXL 44 640
Felci Yachts Windseeker 44 620
Knysna Genius BLU (2018) 44 620
Carbonology Pulse 44 610
Epic V10L (new) 44 615
Carbonology Pulse (2017) 44 600
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 60 (2017) 44 600
Carbonology Atom 44 595
Knysna Mac Mk.II (Sept. 2018) 44 590
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 2.0 44 585

Van Dusen Mohican 44.45 646.4

Stellar SE 44.5 655
Think Ion 44.5 642
Carbonology Flash (old) 44.5 635
Carbonology Switch 44.5 595
Knysna Mac Rhythm (before 2018) 44.5 590
Chalupski Oscar/Hummel 44.5 580

Epic V10 g2 (2013-2017) 45 645
Opium DW 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce (pre 2018) 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce (post 2018) 45 644
Icon Genesis 45 640
Nelo Vintage 45 640
Epic V10 g3 (2018) 45 625
Elio 45 45 610

Fenn Swordfish 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm + (to 2017) 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 61 (2018) 45 610
Zed Tech Griffin ++ 45 590
Nelo 560L 45 560

Nelo 560M/L 45 560
Nelo 560M 45 560
Sipre Ackua 560 45 560
O'Krea Marmousse 45 450

Knysna Mac Rhythm (from 2018) 45.5 590

Huki S1-XL 45.72 640

Allwave Volo 46 642
Custom Kayaks Focus 46 642
Custom Kayaks Synergy 46 642
Revo R2 46 635
Ozean OSS 3 46 6245
Knysna Genius BLU (pre 2018) 46 620
Carbonology Vault (2017b) 46 610
Stellar SEI 46 610
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (new)46 600
Vajda Hawx 46 46 590
Vajda Next 46 46 590
DD3 Magnum 46 580
Nelo 550 46 550

Carbonology Vault (2017a) 46.5 612
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (old) 46.5 598
DD3 Australis 46.5 580
DD3 Wahoo Sport 46.5 579
Nordic Kayaks Storm 57 (2017) 46.5 570

Huki S1-R 46.99 607

Honcho Rookie 47 647
Custom Kayaks Icon 47
Think Evo 3G (2016) 47 625
Zed Tech Dominator XL 47 620
Carbonology Vault (old) 47 595
Spirit Fury 47
FG Code Zero 47 580

Fenn XT (older) 47.5 600
Finn Molakai 47.5 590

Neumann Adventure 48 640
Revo R3 (2016) 48 635
Think Evo II 48 625
Carbonology Zest (old) 48 615
Kayak Pro Oquendo Sport 48 614

Epic V10 Sport (new) 48 610
Seabird 6.1 48 610
Bjorn Thomasson Spindrift 48 608
Revo R3 (2017) 48 605
Arrow 48 590
Stellar SR 48 584
Aquarius Coaster 48 580
Elio Fitness 48 580
Honcho Guevara 48 580

Knysna Genius CLK 48 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 48 580
Ozean OSS 4 48 5795
Sipre Marlin M 48 578
Point Horizon 48 573
Custom Kayaks Horizon 48 560
Custom Kayaks Mentor 48 560
Think Jet 48 520
Aquarius Coda 48 400
Knysna Guppie 48 400

Epic V10 Sport (old) 48.3 610

Kayak Centre Zeplin 48.5 660
Knysna Jester 48.5 457

Flow Kayaks Superstar 49 595
de Brito 59 49 590
Fenn Mako XT 49 588
Opium Moana 49 588

Lifesaving/Spec ski min.wid/max.len 49 580

Nordic Kayaks Squall + (to 2017) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 58 (2018) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 54 (2017) 49 540
Carbonology Splash 49 485

Carbonology Zest (old) 49.5 595

DD3 Maxx (2017) 50 600
Nordic Kayaks Breeze (`til 2015) 50 600
Carbonology Boost (2017a) 50 595
Honcho Guru 50 580
Spirit PRS 50 567
Bjorn Thomasson Spray 50 560
Allwave Genesi 50 520
Fenn Bonito 50 420
FG 420 Revo 50 420
Sipre Ackua Kid 50 420

Epic V8 Pro 50.5 579

Carbonology Boost (2017b) 51 595
Think Eze (pre 2016) 51 520
Think Eze (2016) 51 518
Spirit Racing Ski 51 496

Stellar S18S G2 (from 2018) 51.2 550

Think Zen 52 560
Vajda Hawx 52 52 554
Vajda Next 52 52 554
Opium Rider 52 553
Vajda Raptor 52 530
Nelo 520 52 520

Knysna Genius RS 52.5 580

Fenn Blue-Fin 53 590
Vajda Oscar 53 559
Axis Kayaks S4 53 507
Axis Kayaks S2 53 460

Stellar S18S G1 (pre 2018) 53.3 550

Nordic Kayaks Exrcize 54 550
Sipre Ackua Fun (pre 2018) 54 550
Epic V8 (new) 54 548
Finn Endorfinn 54 522
Epic V7 54 520
Nordic Kayaks Breeze PE (2017) 54 505

Seabird 5.5 55 555
Sipre Ackua Fun (post 2018) 55 550
Elio 55 55 520
Nelo Viper 55 55 520
Nelo 510 55 510

Mirage 583 Freeride 55.5 580

Epic V8 (old) 55.88 548

de Brito 59w 56 590
Carbonology Cruz 56 550
Think Big Eze/Eze 56 538

Allwave Colibri 57 418

Stellar S16S 58.1 488

Epic V6 58.4 488

Cobra Eliminator 58.42 503

Epic V5 composite 60 436
Epic V5 plastic 60 426

Current Designs Ignite (2014) 60.96 487.68

Spirit Crosstrainer CTR 61 400

Stellar S14S 62.8 436

Current Designs 140 66.04 427


List compiled by Owen on Okinawa, February, 2012.
Last up-dated July 2018.
Some info above may be incorrect or missing. Most measurements have been taken from manufacturers websites. Therefore, apologies in advance for any mistakes I`ve made and feel free to contact me with any information that should be adjusted or added:
[email protected]  
189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
Epic V10 1st Gen
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy?
189cm 90~100kg
07 Jan 2019 21:53
Hi All.

I am continuing to agonize over my next boat to switch to from my V7. I am not a racer and have very little interest in competing, but I like to be able to go long distances efficiently.
Our local dealer has a current gen V10S in Club construction. They told me that Epic no longer offers Club except for special dealer orders for rental fleets and such.
I am not too taken with an idea of a super-light boat from price and durability perspective. I do rivers, lakes, questionable put-ins and stuff like that. A little surfing here and there, but not as a main thing (Lake Ontario in our area is only surfable maybe a few days a year).
So probably wouldn't go higher than Performance anyways. Does it make sense to go with Club? They say it's the most durable construction and is about 30% cheaper.

Thoughts on how much am I missing out with this option?

Thanks.

 
05 Jan 2019 01:14
Good people who use this forum, I ask of You to keep an open mind..

In the recent years we've seen the introduction of several short/stable/heavy/slow/fun/beginner skis. As Epic is maybe the most prominent producer with the easiest to follow model line names, I will use their example: V8, V7, V6 and now V5. Following this logic, there will appear boats like V4, ..., V1, V0 and at a certain point -V.

When could we see something like this: 

under the aggressive name of lets say Epic -V3? (again Epic used as an example of logical model names, could be any manufacturer)

The ad campaign could contain the following photo and slogan:

"Enables beginners to be even more aggressive in big conditions downwinds"
"Unprecedented stability with guaranteed remounts in any conditions"
"Weighing in at just under 150 pounds, the new design capacitates not only on-water training, but also pre- and post-water sessions, racking and unracking the vessel."
etc

Am I being unnecessarily optimistic?
04 Jan 2019 04:24
In 2013 there were about 50 ski designs on the list, today (January 4th, 2019) it`s up to 235 and there must a few more out there that are absent. Feel free to let me know what`s wrong with/missing from the list.
Happy paddling all!

Owen
(present set up: Stellar SEI 2G in Advantage lay-up, and Knysna Racing Delta L paddle.)


Surfski Width x Length Chart – January 4th 2019

Manufacturer Name of Ski Width Length

O'Krea Oya 40 605

Huki S1-Z 40.64 635
Huki S1-A 40.64 5588

Scofits Ayahavela SSR 41 633
Scofits Ayahavela Bullet 41 633
Knysna Mc Gregor Classic (2018) 41 590

Stellar SEA (June 2018-) 41.2 619.5

Carbonology K1 Downriver ski 41.5 520

Stellar SES 41.6 620

Neumann Adventure Racing 42 660
Vajda Orca 42 650
Think Uno (pre 2016) 42 648
DD3 Envy 42 645
Sipre Sea Vortex 42 645
Knysna Genius G40 (2018) 42 640
Nelo M/XL (2010) 42 640
DD3 Turbo G2 (2017) 42 638
Elio Mazu Pro I 42 627

Fenn Elite SL 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Spark 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Glide 42.5 644
Fenn Elite Surge (2018) 42.5 582
Epic K1T  42.5 520

Kai Wa'a Vega (2018)  42.7  640

Allwave CX 42.8 640
Allwave DNA (August 2018) 42.8 640
Ocean Built Kona K-64 42.8 640
Ocean Built Konastorm KS-64 42.8 640

Epic V14 (2g) 42.9 640

Kayak Pro Oquendo 43 659
Zed Tech Dominator 43 658
Honcho Oceans Pro 43 647
Knysna Genius GTO (2018) 43 645
Opium Infinity 43 645
Think Uno (2016) 43 645

Think Uno Max 43 645
Fenn Mako Elite 43 644
Think Legend 43 643
DD3 Turbo (2012) 43 640
Epic V12 (2g) 43 640

Epic V14 (1g) 43 640
Flow Kayaks Addict 43 640
Flow Kayaks Sharpski 43 640
Knysna Genius 40 (pre 2018) 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro (to 2017) 43 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 64 (2018) 43 640

Revo R1 43 635
Carbonology Flash (2017) 43 635
Honcho Extreme 43 634
Vajda Next 43 630
Knysna Genius 20 43 628
Nordic Kayaks Fusion (2009) 43 625
Ozean OSS 2 43 6245

Elio Pro Elite 43 620
O'Krea Ozo 43 616
Carbonology Pulse 43 605
Knysna Mc Gregor Classic (2017) 43 600
Epic V11 1g (2017) 43 579
Sipre Ackua (2018) 43 575
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 1 Super 43 565

Huki S1-X 43.18 640

Epic V10 g1(2005-2012) 43.4 650
Epic V10L (old) 43.4 650

Red7 Surf70 43.5 660
DD3 XLR8 43.5 655
Ozean OSS I 43.5 6495
Stellar SEL 2G 43.5 645
Vajda Hawx 43.5 643.5

Epic V12 (g1) 43.5 640
Nordic Kayaks Nitro+ 43.5 640
Seabird 6.4 43.5 640
Vajda Hawx 43 43.5 633

Kayak Centre Eos 660 43.6 660

Custom Kayaks Bullet ?? 640

Ygara Xama 44 660
Stellar SEL 1G 44 655
DD3 Albatross Gen 6 44 650
DD3 Albatross 44 648
Opium Molokai 44 644

Kayak Sipre Sea Vortex + 44 642
Fenn Mako 6 44 640
Nelo XXL 44 640
Felci Yachts Windseeker 44 620
Knysna Genius BLU (2018) 44 620
Carbonology Pulse 44 610
Epic V10L (new) 44 615
Carbonology Pulse (2017) 44 600
Nordic Kayaks Nitro 60 (2017) 44 600
Carbonology Atom 44 595
Knysna Mac Mk.II (Sept. 2018) 44 590
Nordic Kayaks Rapido 2.0 44 585

Van Dusen Mohican 44.45 646.4

Stellar SE 44.5 655
Think Ion 44.5 642
Carbonology Flash (old) 44.5 635
Carbonology Switch 44.5 595
Knysna Mac Rhythm (before 2018) 44.5 590
Chalupski Oscar/Hummel 44.5 580

Epic V10 g2 (2013-2017) 45 645
Opium DW 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce (pre 2018) 45 645
Sipre Ackua Veloce (post 2018) 45 644
Icon Genesis 45 640
Nelo Vintage 45 640
Epic V10 g3 (2018) 45 625
Elio 45 45 610

Fenn Swordfish 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm + (to 2017) 45 610
Nordic Kayaks Storm 61 (2018) 45 610
Zed Tech Griffin ++ 45 590
Nelo 560L 45 560

Nelo 560M/L 45 560
Nelo 560M 45 560
Sipre Ackua 560 45 560
O'Krea Marmousse 45 450

Knysna Mac Rhythm (from 2018) 45.5 590

Huki S1-XL 45.72 640

Allwave Volo 46 642
Custom Kayaks Focus 46 642
Custom Kayaks Synergy 46 642
Revo R2 46 635
Ozean OSS 3 46 6245
Knysna Genius BLU (pre 2018) 46 620
Carbonology Vault (2017b) 46 610
Stellar SEI 46 610
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (new)46 600
Vajda Hawx 46 46 590
Vajda Next 46 46 590
DD3 Magnum 46 580
Nelo 550 46 550

Carbonology Vault (2017a) 46.5 612
Scofits Ayahavela SSS (old) 46.5 598
DD3 Australis 46.5 580
DD3 Wahoo Sport 46.5 579
Nordic Kayaks Storm 57 (2017) 46.5 570

Huki S1-R 46.99 607

Honcho Rookie 47 647
Custom Kayaks Icon 47
Think Evo (2016) 47 625
Zed Tech Dominator XL 47 620
Carbonology Vault (old) 47 595
Spirit Fury 47

Fenn XT (older) 47.5 600
Finn Molakai 47.5 590

Neumann Adventure 48 640
Revo R3 (2016) 48 635
Think Evo II 48 625
Carbonology Zest (old) 48 615
Kayak Pro Oquendo Sport 48 614

Epic V10 Sport (new) 48 610
Seabird 6.1 48 610
Bjorn Thomasson Spindrift 48 608
Revo R3 (2017) 48 605
Arrow 48 590
Stellar SR 48 584
Aquarius Coaster 48 580
Elio Fitness 48 580
Honcho Guevara 48 580

Knysna Genius CLK 48 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 48 580
Ozean OSS 4 48 5795
Sipre Marlin M 48 578
Point Horizon 48 573
Custom Kayaks Horizon 48 560
Custom Kayaks Mentor 48 560
Think Jet 48 520
Aquarius Coda 48 400
Knysna Guppie 48 400

Epic V10 Sport (old) 48.3 610

Kayak Centre Zeplin 48.5 660
Knysna Jester 48.5 457

Flow Kayaks Superstar 49 595
de Brito 59 49 590
Fenn Mako XT 49 588
Opium Moana 49 588

Lifesaving/Spec ski min.wid/max.len 49 580

Nordic Kayaks Squall + (to 2017) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 58 (2018) 49 580
Nordic Kayaks Squall 54 (2017) 49 540
Carbonology Splash 49 485

Carbonology Zest (old) 49.5 595

DD3 Maxx (2017) 50 600
Nordic Kayaks Breeze (`til 2015) 50 600
Carbonology Boost (2017a) 50 595
Honcho Guru 50 580
Spirit PRS 50 567
Bjorn Thomasson Spray 50 560
Allwave Genesi 50 520
Fenn Bonito 50 420
Sipre Ackua Kid 50 420

Epic V8 Pro 50.5 579

Carbonology Boost (2017b) 51 595
Think Eze (pre 2016) 51 520
Think Eze (2016) 51 518
Spirit Racing Ski 51 496

Stellar S18S G2 (from 2018) 51.2 550

Think Zen 52 560
Vajda Hawx 52 52 554
Vajda Next 52 52 554
Opium Rider 52 553
Vajda Raptor 52 530
Nelo 520 52 520

Knysna Genius RS 52.5 580

Fenn Blue-Fin 53 590
Vajda Oscar 53 559
Axis Kayaks S4 53 507
Axis Kayaks S2 53 460

Stellar S18S G1 (pre 2018) 53.3 550

Nordic Kayaks Exrcize 54 550
Sipre Ackua Fun (pre 2018) 54 550
Epic V8 (new) 54 548
Finn Endorfinn 54 522
Epic V7 54 520
Nordic Kayaks Breeze PE (2017) 54 505

Seabird 5.5 55 555
Sipre Ackua Fun (post 2018) 55 550
Elio 55 55 520
Nelo Viper 55 55 520
Nelo 510 55 510

Mirage 583 Freeride 55.5 580

Epic V8 (old) 55.88 548

de Brito 59w 56 590
Carbonology Cruz 56 550
Think Big Eze/Eze 56 538

Allwave Colibri 57 418

Stellar S16S 58.1 488

Epic V6 58.4 488

Cobra Eliminator 58.42 503

Epic V5 composite 60 436
Epic V5 plastic 60 426

Current Designs Ignite (2014) 60.96 487.68

Spirit Crosstrainer CTR 61 400

Stellar S14S 62.8 436

Current Designs 140 66.04 427


List compiled by Owen on Okinawa, February, 2012.
Last up-dated July 2018.
Some info above may be incorrect or missing. Most measurements have been taken from manufacturers websites. Therefore, apologies in advance for any mistakes I`ve made and feel free to contact me with any information that should be adjusted or added:
[email protected]
189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
Epic V10 1st Gen
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy
189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
2007? Epic V10 first gen.
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy
19 Nov 2018 17:18

Fath2o wrote: I stand corrected. It's just that I have witnessed a surfski in the surf quickly become filled with water and sand when the hatch cover came off. You know, I was also involved in rescuing a sea kayaking couple 12 miles from shore and 2 miles downwind from there island destination in 6 foot + seas with 25 knot. winds. There kayak was full of water and they were in extreme peril. We saved them, but. lost the kayak and all their gear. The kayak was to heavy to lift and the towline soon parted.
Good luck with your bulkhead repair.


Good on you for helping. Happens too often as far as I am concerned. 12 miles into it is way way too far..
In a sea kayak, theoretically a fellow paddler can empty the flooded section, but obviously not in these conditions.

The bulkhead job is done, just waiting for adhesive to cure completely. Which is ok I suppose with snow on the ground and all :)
19 Nov 2018 02:12
I stand corrected. It's just that I have witnessed a surfski in the surf quickly become filled with water and sand when the hatch cover came off. You know, I was also involved in rescuing a sea kayaking couple 12 miles from shore and 2 miles downwind from there island destination in 6 foot + seas with 25 knot. winds. There kayak was full of water and they were in extreme peril. We saved them, but. lost the kayak and all their gear. The kayak was to heavy to lift and the towline soon parted.
Good luck with your bulkhead repair.
18 Nov 2018 16:43 - 18 Nov 2018 16:45
V7 is most certainly intended for rough water. What you call a fabric cover is a tightly fitted neoprene cover with a hard plastic shell on top of it. It can most certainly take waves breaking on it or being submerged. The hatch failure is a very hypothetical situation.
I did get in touch with Epic (not a dealer but the company itself). According to them complete waterlogging V7 is not an easy thing to achieve. The water will not travel easily through small openings in the bulkheads due to air that is present in otherwise sealed areas. According to them filling this hull with water takes a dedicated effort and is time consuming. With hatch cover off and the storage being completely filled the ski can still be paddled.
Completely waterlogged (however way you might have achieved that) the boat would remain positively buoyant but impossible to paddle. However, again, this does not appear to be a likely event.
I am considering a composite but for performance reasons. The ultra-level layups feel brittle to me, especially compared to a tank-like V7, so I would most likely use such boat with a lot more caution.
18 Nov 2018 08:24
Isn't this question somewhat self explanatory? I don't suppose surfskis with fabric covered storage compartments were ever intended to get submerged in the surf or rough water. Correct me if I'm wrong, they are touring kayaks for protected waters. If you have this problem or are concerned about the potential problem it's probably time for a new boat. Do yourself a favor and consider a composite water tight hull. A 50 lb plastic boat quickly becomes an unmanageable 200 lb+ boat when full of water.
18 Nov 2018 01:53
let's bring this to the top again.  surely an Epic dealer or someone has to answer this 'problem'
13 Nov 2018 01:35
Hi All
I recently had to deal with failing bulkhead seal in my V7. Upon a closer look I noticed something that is making me a little uncomfortable.
There are two thick foam bulkheads around the hatch. As I was dealing with the seal I noticed that both have openings. Confirmed with Epic that those are vent holes and are to be kept open. As they said, the purpose of the bulkheads is to slow down water ingress but not to be completely watertight. Ok, I get it and it makes sense given the design of the hull. However I keep thinking about the worst case when hatch fails in rough water. I do have the hard hatch cover but if the rope on the soft cover fails it won't stop the boat from taking on water.
So, worst case. The boat starts flooding and the water starts traveling through the bulkheads and fills most of it. Will I end up with a completely useless submerged log? The ski has no foam stringers. The material of the hull seems to be thick and bubbly so I am guessing it may have some boyancy to it. Would that, combined with flotation of the bulkheads be enough for a semi useful craft while waterlogged? 
Anyone ever flooded their V7?
05 Nov 2018 02:32
Long story short: I have spent the past 2 and a half months training in a V10 Gen 2 (closing in on 60 hours of bucket time). This is my first true season of paddling & racing. I weigh 170 lbs and stand just shy of 5'11" with an inseam of approximately 32". Long time endurance athlete, but new to surfski. Current boat (owned): Epic V7.

After training and racing in the V7 since this past May, I have barely touched that boat since mid August when I started paddling a borrowed V10 and V10S (both ultras). I spent quite a bit of time in a V10 Sport, raced it successfully and found it to be that sweet spot of super stable on the flat and stable, yet still challenging enough, in ocean conditions. Speed improvements in both the V10S and V10 were huge: .5 - .7 mph increase in speed over the V7. I'm very comfortable in the V10S and am buying a lightly used model this weekend along with a Big Boy rack and Epic full carbon paddle. I plan on using the V10 Sport for ocean training and racing next season.

As happy as I am with the V10 Sport, all of the time that I have spent in the V10 has most certainly helped me to progress as a paddler. Based on numerous 1 hour tempo sessions, I found the V10 to to be .1 - .2 mph faster than the V10 Sport... in flat water (my best 1 hour tempo session to date was 7.3+ mph in the V10 vs 7.2 mph in the V10S during an 8.2 mile flat water race). I have also found that training in the V10 makes the V10S feel much, much more stable by comparison, which goes a long way in regards to stability development. I see the V10 as a training tool that is helping me to progress, but am in no way operating under the assumption that I am ready to start racing it... yet.

My biggest issue with the V10: I feel like a cork in this boat. The wind pushes me around like crazy, I feel like the boat sits way up on top of the water instead of in it, and as soon as the wind or side chop picks up, my stroke becomes tentative and I struggle to produce power thanks to the fact that I'm putting all of my energy into staying upright. The V10S, on the other hand, allows me to power through and focus primarily upon my stroke.

As a lean, small - middle weight athlete, I'd have to think that the volume of the V10 is working against me. Seems like the bigger guys (200+ lbs.) have a much easier time than I do in this boat.

My question, for those of you with experience with the latest generation of the V10L is this: Does the lower volume help on the stability front for people weighing in the 165 - 170 lb. range? I plan on investing in a second boat this coming spring that I will use for flat water training and racing only (at least for 2019). I was hoping that I might find the V10L to be a little more stable in strong cross winds and chop given the lower volume, but I've never paddled one and am not sure when I'll have the chance to do so.

Thanks in advance for any feedback people can progress.
21 Oct 2018 22:46 - 21 Oct 2018 23:03
Hi, Wavehugger! Congratulations on discovering that lake. If those conditions depicted in the video are just an ordinary summer day, You are in luck :)

Could You describe the process by which You are gonna choose the ski? Would You consider going to a shop where they have demo skis and try out some?

Totally agree with Fath2o - if the budget is not a huge issue, definitely the lighter ski You get, the happier You're gonna be. Also MCImes' argument is very much on point about the stability. If You are a proficient SUP paddler, You don't have to worry about not mastering a V8 :D

If we look at pricing, the V5-V7 are 22-24 kg boats (in the heaviest/cheapest layouts) costing between 1300-1400 euros new. The V5 has two lighter layups with the next one going up by 1000 euros to get a 16kg boat.

At about that price (2500 euros) You could get a Nelo 520 weighing in at 12-13 kg. That is the WWR construction. I have been paddling a WWR construction 6,4m boat for 3 seasons - it's really very durable and impact resistant. A V8 for about that money will come in at 18 kg.

Paddling a 18-22kg boat vs 12 kg boat is a very different feeling, needless to say picking one up and carrying it :D Also the 520 width/stability could be much more rewarding than a V5 and let You keep the boat for longer. I may sound like a Nelo fanboy.. but their lighter layups are VERY competitively priced.

If You definitely wanna go the wide and heavy road, consider this boat: www.kajak.nl/prod.php?id=8364 . The pricing is great if You wanna resell it and get something lighter later. I have no experience with this boat, but the +1m length and -7cm width will give it much more hull speed over a V5, more like a V7, but 400 euros cheaper than the latter.

If possible, visit a well equipped shop, try some boats and tell us how it felt :) Buying a surfski is exhilarating (second to only paddling downwind).

Edit: just read Your last post. I have no experience with a V5-V7, but I can't imagine a wide short heavy boat could be a great wave catcher :D If the waves are good enough You can catch them on anything (even whitewater playboats), but to have a trusty companion to take out every day regardless of the conditions, that's when the hull speed comes into play.

Those shots in the video were definitely a good-looking edit. Also the conditions were super. I can't imagine them being always like that. Even on a good day there is a lot of stalling and missing waves, especially in a slow boat. I'm a very average amateur paddler, but I paddle a lot (5 times a week) in small waves in a fast boat, and I would say there is no way to catch many consecutive runners in small waves in a slow boat. Only a serious athlete could do that and would have to sprint like hell.
20 Oct 2018 21:35
Replied by MCImes on topic Bike trailer & ...V5?
For a speed comparison, read this good article
www.surfskinews.com/news-2016-decjan-201...son-with-greg-barton

The V5 isnt on there, but assume its proportionally slower than the V7.

From what it sounds like, you may be happy long term with the V5. I guess, for some context, most people that get into this sport are competitive by nature and are often looking to improve their skills. There's absolutely nothing wrong with staying with a V5 if that's what you prefer to paddle. It kinda depends on, do you think you're the type that will want to upgrade in a little while, or will stay content? Most of us end up upgrading up to some point, then stop. My personal line is right around a 48cm minimum beam.

I have the ability to push myself and get comfortable in a skinnier and faster boat, but i found my maximum enjoyment is from riding the waves in an intermediate level boat. At that level I hit my speed-to-enjoyment ratio peak. Everyone's is different so you'll just have to decide where yours is.

Really the best advice I can give you is to demo both boats in the conditions you intend to paddle, if at all possible. When your butt is in the seat it should become apparent which boat you want. I dont think you can go wrong either way, and plastic skis are cheap enough you can upgrade at any point.

regarding the durability of plastic skis, you really cant get much more durable than the poly skis. they ar by far the most resilient skis you can buy for dragging and or (accidentally) dropping.
19 Oct 2018 22:36
Hi! I just joined this forum, I'm glad I found it! I have two questions I can't find an answer to and would really appreciate help.
I just discovered surfski's. As I live 700 meters from a reasonably big lake in Holland, for years I stared at the small windchop thinking "if only that would be surfable..." and I just found out it is...
So I immediately took a surfski lesson 3 days ago, 'cause it turns out there is a school located just 30 mins from my home :-)
I look for advice on two questions I have:

1) Is there a bike trailer for surf ski's? I use the Supwheels for my SUP, it is excellent for SUP boards up to 14 ft. www.supwheels.com
However I don't think it would hold a surfski. Any thoughts on how to transport a surfski by bike? I'm Dutch. I only ride bikes, no cars :-)

2) I had a lesson in the Epic V7. But I am really interested in the Epic V5 now. The reason I'm so interested is that I was reminded of an experience I had when learning to SUP in the surf. As I live in Holland we almost never have clean conditions or good groundswell. England blocks all that good stuff from our North Sea. We usually have a lot of chop and a lot of wind. Which makes even waiting for a wave an effort in itself, just trying to stay in position, upright and not falling off the board.
I had one of the first SUP boards here (we're talking looooooong ago), an Amundsen 10 ft- 28" wide. It was very hard work and a lot of falling off. Then two years later Starboard made the Whopper: 35" wide, instead of the usual 27-30". I demoed it and was immediately sold. Suddenly balance was not an issue anymore. I could concentrate on catching waves and having fun. It looked a lot less cool and way more kooky, but I don't care about that kind of coollness at all. Boy, what a great board.
So now looking at the V5 and seeing Boyan Zlatarev use it in a downwinder on my lake (!) in some really small period 1-2 ft windchop I was thinking: would the v5 be a good boat for my circumstances here? Can anybody help me with advice on that? I don't really care about flat water racing or speed, the only thing I would love to do is surf as many of the short period windchop waves on my lake as possible. So I'm looking for a board that catches the tiniest, weakest stuff possible in the easiest way possible.
I am 1.97m tall, weigh 93 kilo's, I am 46 years old.
Here's the video of Boyan using the V5 on "my" lake


Thanks in advance!
08 Oct 2018 01:13
Oh that's really nice. Looks like it would put me in a 2g V10 territory. Sweet.
Thanks again.
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