Seat Padding

7 years 6 months ago #15917 by AR_convert
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Never let it be said that manufacturers aren't watching what is said here :)

I just got an offer from Hein at Carbonology to make up a seat for the Flash using the existing Flash bucket shape.

The idea being that I can pad up then place the seat on the padding, sort of like a K1 seat I guess.

It will be a while before it arrives with the next shipment of skis but I will report on how well it works when it arrives.

Could be a game changer if it works well?

Current - Carbonology"Flash" Vajda "Infusion II K1" Previously ~Finn"Molokai Mk II"~Knysna "Vantage Pro K1' Carbonology "Vault"~Epic"V10L & Sport"~ [/b]Fenn"Mill Double" ~Spirit"PRS"~Finn"Affinity"
Always looking for the next boat :)

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7 years 6 months ago - 7 years 6 months ago #15918 by cjborg
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Many thanks for this information, P'Faster. I will give it a try!

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7 years 6 months ago #15924 by Savage
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Thanks for all the replies and feedback,

Prior to my first post I'd been testing padding in various areas of the bucket to get the right fit and I've just about got that correct.

I was initally thinking of using thin vinyl over the padding for extra slip,or using PaddleFasters recommendation of using Ripstop Nylon.

Before I cover the padding has anyone got any other suggestions on a cover that would give you plenty of slip.

Good on Carbonology, all the boat builders should supply factory padding as an option for their boats,

To make your own padding it takes time to source the materials and a lot of dicking around to get it right, and after it's made and covered it will look always like a dog's breakfast.

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7 years 6 months ago #15929 by Swimmer
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Not sure where you are from, but here in Adelaide Sth Australia, we have stores called Clark's Rubber. It's like a rubber/plastic hardware store and they have endless types of plastic sheeting/material that you could probably use to cover the seat with. I think they are in the other states as well. Other than that try a sailmaker! They would probably have something you could use to make up a cover.

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7 years 6 months ago #15930 by LaPerouser
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Savage,

Not sure why you and others are going for glued/attached padding when putting a bum pad or hip pads inside your shorts is much easier.

My first ski was an early V10S designed by Oscar when he weighed 110kg, and I weighed 65kg. My twin brother could have sat next to me! Epic supplied hip pads which both got in the way during remounts, and then detached themselves a little with every use until they finally gave up and fell off. I replaced with 2inch wide foam pads down each side of my shorts extending from hips to upper thighs so I could touch the sides of the seat well.

I now wear Zhik Deckbeater padded sailing shorts for my backside, (although a piece of padded foam in the speedos would be just as good), and slip a piece of foam inside speedos down my lower back so the drawstring doesn't rub at the back of the seat well.

May I suggest you try this before you attach stuff to the ski - it's cheap and simple, doesn't disfigure the boat, and allows you to swap between skis if you want to.

Cheers and good luck.

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7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #16631 by cjborg
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LaPerouser:

I agree with you that if just a little padding for comfort is all that is needed, padded shorts are definitely the best, IMHO. I've gone as far as 3/8 inch padding in the shorts without them being too bulky. . I got padded shorts from Sailing Angles in Florida, USA . . . posted a link earlier in this thread.

I've never thought of putting 2 inches of padding into a short, though. Interesting idea. I need about 5 inches of padding in the back of a Fenn XT double . . . not sure how I'd get that much padding into a pair of shorts.

For what it's worth, PaddleFaster's suggestion of gluing nylon over closed cell minifoam WORKED GREAT for me... made the pads slippery and much nicer. Nylon also comes in colors, so you can hide the ugly gray and maybe even match the color of your ski.

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7 years 5 months ago #16702 by PaddleFaster
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Glad you found the info of use CJ.
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7 years 5 months ago #16703 by cjborg
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Best boat modification I've ever made... had I known about it a few years ago, I'd have a dozen fewer scars from shorts grabbing the padding and rubbing my lumbar skin raw.

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7 years 5 months ago #16709 by LaPerouser
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Hi cj and others,

For really thick hip pads, I cut up a Speedo Pull Buoy ( the foam floatie thing shaped like a bone, that you put between your knees when swimming if you want to just strengthen upper body without kicking).

Apart from being fairly easy to shape, the buoyancy is an added benefit - if you need to remount ;)

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6 years 7 months ago #20141 by Ole
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Hi LaPerouser,
I am currently looking into hip pads and find this solution quite interesting. Would you have a picture of the cut Speedo Pull Buoy? I have one at home which I haven't used for years....
Many thanks!!

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6 years 7 months ago #20142 by Boof Head
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Based on a suggestion from a kayak building forum I participate in, I have purchased a Backjoy to use in my timber surfski. I have used it in my Stellar on flatwater and it seemed ok. Would have to do a lot more paddling with it before I give it the thumbs up though.

www.backjoy.com/backjoy/cms/sit/sit
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6 years 6 months ago #20148 by Kocho
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Hi, what is the material for this back joy thing? Looks interesting and might be an easy fix for some, if it is not too soft/sticky (e.g., there is a "memory foam" version!)

Also were you able to figure out what is the difference between the + and the relief versions?

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6 years 6 months ago #20151 by Boof Head
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It is made from a hard rubber ( apologies for lack of technical description). It is quiet solid.
I couldn't work out the difference between the + and the relief. I couldn't find any difference on the website and I purchased mine online so no opportunity to compare in store.

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6 years 6 months ago #20153 by Kocho
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So you got the "+" model? Do you have it velcroed in place?

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6 years 6 months ago #20161 by LaPerouser
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Ole

Sorry, I haven't used the hip pads for a couple of years now, and couldn't find them.
(I switched to the narrower bucket Swordfish, so I don't need hip pads ant more!)

My Speedo pull buoy was made of about 5 pieces of foam stuck together, alternating blue and white so it looked like striped candy. I laid it flat and used a sharp bread knife to cut off 2" thick 'slices' shaped like a dog's bone when laid flat.

To wear, I pushed the thinner 'knuckle' of the bone down along the outer thigh, with the broader 'knuckle up near my hip, giving me plenty of contact with the sides of the bucket. I hope this is clear!?

You do need stretchy shorts though! :laugh:
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6 years 6 months ago - 6 years 6 months ago #20166 by Ole
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Thanks!!

The Uno Max gives you that "snug" feeling which I am trying to also get in the Evo II. I am 6'3" so not really a reason to use pads. Maybe I just have to accept that most skies have wider seats (to accommodate a huge variety of paddlers)and have to get used to it.
The "snug" feeling just gives me the impression that I have better control of the ski.

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6 years 6 months ago #20168 by LaPerouser
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Ole

I reckon that snug fit is well worth having, and it does give you more control, especially if you want to 'edge' the ski in a turn or on a wave.

It's one of the reasons I switched to the Swordfish - it's a nice fit for my 32" waist and narrow hips. As chance would have it, my previous ski was an Evo, and its definitely suitable for big-hipped paddlers! I felt as though I was sliding all over the place whenever I forgot the pads.

So why not cut up the pull buoy and give it a try, its not as though you're using it for swimming(?).

And then report back on whether it helps...

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6 years 6 months ago #20171 by Ole
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LaPerouser,

yes, you are right.

The buoy is up north at the moment but I should drive up in the coming days. Will cut, try and feedback soon!
Maybe I should also test paddle a few other skies...

Thanks, Ole

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6 years 6 months ago #20186 by Boof Head
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I got the +. I went for a paddle on Sunday with the backjoy and didn't like it much but it wasn't velcroed in so jury is still out.
I have some holidays soon and I want to try if out in a timber surfski that I have built. The bucket area of my ski is boxy and think it will work reasonably well.

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6 years 6 months ago #20377 by ergometer
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padding is the most interesting thing to watch or carry out while you are doing it single.

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