deBrito Bailer Unhinged

3 months 1 week ago #36514 by gcziko
Last week while paddling my surfski, the deBrito bailer refused to close and seal when I pushed it forward with the heel of my foot as I had done many times before. When I got back on land I saw that the front part of the bailer frame on the bottom of the hull had broken off and was hanging by a "thread" of plastic. (see photo album at ( photos.app.goo.gl/PbQXJLehF659vffd9 )I could understand something like this happening from dropping the ski while the bailer door was open or knocking it sideways. But this resulted from my normal use of opening and closing with the heel of my foot while paddling with no trauma to the bailer door. Upon further examination I saw that the piece of dislodged plastic is just 1 mm thick and forms the groove of a tongue-in-groove hinge at the front of the bailer door. So it's not surprising to me that this could happen given that this thin piece of plastic is all that holds the front of the bailer door in place when force is applied from the inside handle to close it.So now I'm wondering about the experiences that other surfski paddlers have had with this bailer. Has it provided reliable, long-term service for those who use it, or have there been other "unhinging" events like mine? It certainly appears to me to be a flimsy design compared to the Epic bailer I have on my other ski. The Epic bailer is supported in the center with a metal brace with an articulated connection to the handle. I and others have used that bailer for almost five years now with no issues.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36515 by leolinha
Replied by leolinha on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I have a Think Evo g3 with a DeBrito bailer. The bailer and its frame are still intact, the boat is pretty new after all... But one day I went paddling in the river when the bailer simply detached from its place for no reason, just like that, as soon as I placed the ski on the water. I had to store the bailer piece inside my clothes and paddle the whole session with a flooded ski. I was lucky - if I went to the beach instead, I would have lost that bailer for sure.
Once back home, I could not find any damage whatsoever. In fact, I was appaled to find out that the bailer piece is simply glued in place, and with a tiny amount of glue at that.
Luckily I had a can of black Sikaflex, which is just the perfect adhesive for this application as I was later told. I applied a generous amount of it, glued the bailer back and have never had any problems with it ever since.
However, I don't trust the bailer anymore as I used to. When I have to open or close it, I do it gently with my hand.
As for the Epic bailer, my experience is the same - 5 years of heavy use, no issues at all.

Current: Epic V8 PRO, Think Evo 3
Past: Epic V8, Epic V10 Sport

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36517 by Kayaknut
Replied by Kayaknut on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I currently have a Nelo 520 with that bailer and a Nelo Viper 46 Ski with the De Brito bailer. I have not had problems with the one in the 520 but the one in the Viper 46 Ski leaked badly in the closed position. I tried to replace it with a new one that i bought at Nelo Eu but that one too leaked. So, I decided to close up the space of the bailer with fiberglass and installed a Venturi system instead. It works fine.  It seems that all manufacturers are starting to use the De Brito bailer. Compared to the Epic bailer it is a very poor substitute.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36519 by ersc
Replied by ersc on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I have a 2016 Nelo 560. Extensively used. Not a single problem with the deBrito bailer. I find it a lot better and easier to operate than anything else I've tried. For what it's worth..
Erik

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago - 3 months 1 week ago #36521 by agooding2
Replied by agooding2 on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
My new to me Nelo 550 has a deBrito bailer, no comment on durability yet, but it does seem to leak some.

I am getting some 3mm neoprene to make a new seal for it so I will see how that goes using the template another poster put up in an earlier thread.  

It does seem to be easier to use than others I have tried.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36522 by M.v.E.
Replied by M.v.E. on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I have an de Brito Bailer in my Stellar Surfski which I bought last year. After a few training sessions the Bailer started to leak considerably in the closed position. My Surfski dealer told me last year that there are quality problems with the
de Brito bailer and that it will be only a matter of time when it will come apart ! So far he got no response from the manufacturer what they are going to do about it. I would like to buy the new Nelo 550 but I am somewhat reluctant because of the bailer issue. 

Current Ski: Nelo 550 L
Previous Skis: Stellar SR 1. Gen. / Stellar SEI 1. Gen. / Stellar SR 2. Gen.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36523 by kwolfe
Replied by kwolfe on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I sold my 550 that had that bailer.  My other two skis now are both Epics.  One has the old anderson mini and the other the epic bailer.  Both are worlds better in my opinion.  The anderson is harder to open but I never have an issue with it leaking.  Same goes for the Epic.

The debrito has that damn piece of neoprene which is way to fragile.  They do drain well but them again so do venturis when you really need them.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36525 by Epicpaddler
Replied by Epicpaddler on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
Thanks for the report. One of the boats I'm considering is a used Think evo 3 and it has the leaky deBrito bailer. 

I have to agree, the Epic bailer is pretty bombproof. I'd hate to pass up a good deal on a boat, but a leaky bailer would probably tweak my OCD. If it's only a few drops an hour it would be fine, but I don't want a cockpit full of cold water every few minutes.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago - 3 months 1 week ago #36527 by agooding2
Replied by agooding2 on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
Kwolfe's old 550 is mine now and it is a slow leak, hopefully a new piece of neoprene will fix it, otherwise I'll just use it in the summer and open it every so often to drain.

My Think Fit just has a plug and venturi, perfectly dry but I am afraid to pull the plug as I'm not sure it would go back in. It is old so it might just break and then I wouldn't be able to stop the boat or it would fill up with water.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

3 months 1 week ago #36532 by mattbroad
Replied by mattbroad on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I have a one year old Stellar SR with a deBrito Bailer.  On one of my first paddles I tried to kick the bailer closed with my foot and popped the front hinge off the lip but it did not break the plastic.  I learned that you can unscrew the inside frame and reset the bailer and screw it shut.  I have learned to be more careful to push forward and not down.  As far as leaking, you can buy 2mm neoprene on Amazon and cut a replacement piece that can be put in using the above removal method.  Also, I store the boat with the bailer open to allow the foam to expand back to original thickness to prevent future leaks.  

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

2 months 4 weeks ago - 2 months 4 weeks ago #36590 by agooding2
Replied by agooding2 on topic deBrito Bailer Unhinged
I got a piece of 3 mm neoprene and cut a piece to fit using the template on another thread. Took me about ten minutes, now the bailer does not leak.  The old piece was torn and compressed so it's no wonder it leaked.  Looks like it will need to be replaced every so often.

Since I bought a $15 sheet of neoprene and have plenty left if anyone wants my college age kid to make them a couple using the template we can do that and send it to you for $5 as long as it does not cost more than two first class US stamps.  This will give him something to do while he's cooped up at home and he's better at this sort of thing than I am.

Pm me and I will provide my email for PayPal.

-- Andrew

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Latest Forum Topics

How do you get a slick bucket? (10 Posts)

11 hours 30 minutes ago
EK Sydney's Avatar

Think Six - aim of design? (24 Posts)

1 day 20 hours ago
Protected by R Antispam