Top 50 skinniest boats (or Helping RAB Pick a Ski)

8 years 6 months ago #10425 by owenfromwales
My apologies people, whilst going over my research on the net I noticed a howling error that I`d made. I unfairly credited the Swordfish with the designated beer bottle holder, when in reality it is, of course, the V8 from Oscar`s Epic stable that has such a function (yes, I really should have known better!). Not to knock the Swordy though, she sounds like a great boat too.
In other news, Mark Ressel in the UK has just launched his Icon `Genesis`. Will hopefully get the specs from Res soon.

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 6 months ago #10438 by CyberSki
Owen

Please add the Stellar S18S to the list.

Length 550cm and beam 53.5cm

And yes, it has a "beer holder" too!! ;)

Scott

Fenn Swordfish and Epic Midwing.

Past skis include Stellar SR and SEL, KC Zeplin, Think EVO, and in-between version of Epic V8 Ultra. Jantex Gamma is my sword of pain..though my elbow may force me to a smaller blade now. :-(

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8 years 6 months ago #10475 by Kayaker Greg
Be good to have this thread stickied somewhere so that it doesn't get lost with time.

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8 years 6 months ago #10479 by robin.mousley
Stickied. (Haven't stickied a thread for a long while so I'm not sure of the exact effect! I'm assuming that it'll lurk at the top of the Announcements topic.) I intend to make a proper article out of it at some point too...

Rob

Currently Fenn Swordfish S, Epic V10 Double.
Previously: Think Evo II, Carbonology Zest, Fenn Swordfish, Epic V10, Fenn Elite, Red7 Surf70 Pro, Epic V10 Sport, Genius Blu, Kayak Centre Zeplin, Fenn Mako6, Custom Kayaks ICON, Brian's Kayaks Molokai, Brian's Kayaks Wedge and several others...
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8 years 6 months ago #10481 by owenfromwales
Good point Greg - I think Rob is on the case already!

un-official pictures of the new ski from the UK have been circulating recently, although we`re still waiting for specs from Mark Ressel for his `Genesis` creation...

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 6 months ago #10535 by DougMar
It may be beneficial to also record the Boa (Beam overall) measurement along with the Bwl. Though these numbers really do not indicate much as far as true transverse stability and potential speed, they can give at least a trend. Small Bwl with a larger Boa will give low initial transverse stability, with nice "secondary" stability, though possibly feel twitchier in multi-chop because of that secondary, whereas a small Bwl and smaller Boa may feel more planted in those conditions. All of this depends on the overall displacement, especially noticeable with the small Bwl/large Boa boat.
But then, I'm singing to the choir I suppose. I'll shut up now.

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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #10586 by DougMar
I suppose that I didn't carefully and fully read the openning statements. Those are merely the Boa measurements. Ok.

Here's an additional boat that may not have been addressed...

Huki S1-Z

40.64 cm Boa; 33.65 cm Bwl @ 190 lb (86 kg) pilot, 23.8 lb (10.8 kg) boat; 629.9 cm Loa.

If I could get my arse into that one, it'd be a real trip! Jude indicates decent sized guys can fit!
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8 years 6 months ago #10589 by owenfromwales
Hi Doug,
Thanks for doing the conversions. That is one skinny boat!
Here is a link to it for everyone to see:
www.huki.com/index.php?page=S1-Z

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 6 months ago #10712 by owenfromwales
Physio just posted this on another thread, but I think it also deserves a mention here too:
vaaka.co.nz/page2.php

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 6 months ago #10723 by owenfromwales
As promised, the new Icon `Genesis` from Mark Ressel in the UK. 44cm beam, don`t have the length details yet:
www.iconsurfcraft.com/genesis-ocean-ski-gallery.php

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 5 months ago #11239 by owenfromwales
Three more boats to add, from the Seabird stable (thanks for the link opl1). Looks like we`ll soon be up to the top 75 skinniest boats...
www.kajakk.biz/storefront.php?c1=263
Owen

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 5 months ago #11241 by AR_convert
Any chance of an updated list now? Rob?

Current - Carbonology"Flash" Vajda "Infusion II K1" Previously ~Finn"Molokai Mk II"~Knysna "Vantage Pro K1' Carbonology "Vault"~Epic"V10L & Sport"~ [/b]Fenn"Mill Double" ~Spirit"PRS"~Finn"Affinity"
Always looking for the next boat :)

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8 years 5 months ago #11242 by owenfromwales
Message from Stew at Think Aus (thanks for the update Stew):

Spec correction on the website. The Uno Max was listed at 42cms, it's actually, 43cms. Sorry if it caused any confusion.
Uno Max – Think Kayak
www.thinkkayak.com.au

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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8 years 3 months ago #11925 by Kayaker Greg
Flow Kayaks Superstar, 5.95m long x 49cm wide, intermediate ski.

www.facebook.com/pages/Flow-Kayaks/258338520890446

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8 years 3 months ago #11944 by arminius
Is there an after market kit for the beer holder to fit a V12? Seems unfair that the guys in the V8 should have all the luxuries.

Another perfect day in paradise. A bit of sun, a bit of rain and it's not even lunch time.

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7 years 5 months ago #16071 by slim white
Too many mistakes per example Fenn XT you mention 560 and is 580, you mention 47 and is 48,5 I have not time to check all measures but with one sample is enough for me to credit.

When you get what you want you don´t want what you get

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7 years 5 months ago #16072 by owenfromwales
Slim White, gracias for your input.

I have a couple of points that should help you to see my rough list in a better light.

Firstly, my list (from February 2012) records the Fenn XT stats as: 47.5 600.
It seems that you have misread the information. I wrote width of 47.5 and length of 600. You have read it as 47 width and 5 600 long.

Secondly, as much as possible, statistics for all the boats were taken from the manufacturers own websites. To give you an idea of the confusions that may arise, please have a look at my results for a Fenn XT specs search on the web today:
Website name of ski width length
Fenn South Africa Mako XT 49 588
Fennsurfski.com XT 48 588
Fenn Kayaks NZ XT 48 590
Fenn France XT 48 580
Ocean Paddler Aus New style Fenn XT 48.5 580

Thirdly, I searched the web in February 2012, so many of the sites may have been out of date already.

Fourthly, Many manufacturers have been very busy creating new boats and re-designing older boats recently, which is fantastic for our sport, although it creates more work to keep a list like this up to date. The Ocean Paddlesports page mentions the `newest Mako XT`, and the Aussie Ocean Paddler site informs us that "In 2011 Fenn introduced a new style Fenn XT".

I think I already pointed out a lot of these shortfalls as caveats on the original posting.

I hope that clears up your misunderstandings Slim White. By the way, you are correct in suggesting that the list is not perfect. It really does need updating. If you do find the time to do the research, I`m sure that many paddlers around the world would really appreciate your effort.

Happy paddling amigo,

:-)wen

189cm 90~100kg
Present skis:
2017 Stellar SEI 2G
1993 Gaisford Spec Ski
1980s Pratt Spec Ski
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor
Previous
1980s UK Surf Skis Ocean Razor X 3
1987 Kevlar Chalupsky (Hummel) (Welsh copy!)
1988 Kevlar Double Chalupsky
1992 Hammerhead spec
2000 Fenn copy

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7 years 5 months ago - 7 years 5 months ago #16082 by slim white
I could accept that all factories do not give exact measures, because the after moulding process could variate some centimetre. Also the weight of the surfski never can be assured, because as the gel coat process depends of the material used and the handicraft .
Distributors normally described in their advertising mistakes in the size of their products. One measure from the same boat in Denmark will be different from other from Norwegian. I do not know why. It is much better consider the measures facilitates from the web of the manufacturer to avoid this kind of mistakes.

When you get what you want you don´t want what you get

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7 years 5 months ago #16285 by 1xsculler
How about the Huki S1-A?

current skis: SES Ultra. sculling boats: Fluidesign Lwt, Wintech, Empacher.

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7 years 5 months ago #16290 by slim white
Anyhow, your compilation is very much appreciated. Only a more consideration: measures gives only a relative idea of stability and speed of the surfski, but in fact the real thing is the shape of the hull, the volume of the deck and the position of the seat in relationship with pedals.

I should appreciate if you could change the image with the dead octopus. I understood that a surf-skier is a lover of the creatures that swim on sea free and happy as all of us with a sport mentality.

When you get what you want you don´t want what you get

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