New model 2018 EPIC V10

4 days 37 minutes ago - 4 days 35 minutes ago #33785 by uk gearmuncher

Dicko wrote: I suppose stability is all relative. Not a bad effort after one paddle. What could you do after 50 paddles. The big question is, do you buy a ski for the 10% of paddles where you're challenged or do you buy a ski for the 90% of paddles where you feel comfortable. Buy 2 ski's I suppose. 


This is exactly what I was reflecting on last night. I would say 75% of my weekly paddling is flatwater and harbour/estuary chop. 25% though is messing around in the rolling breakers just offshore. I'd say 3-4ft wave height max. With that in mind, I'd take the G3, accept that I'd be doing a lot of bracing in that 3-4ft for a couple of years and the rest of my paddles would be fine. The problem is that I'm also doing 3-4 races per year which would be round cans or light swell racing formats. At that point, I'd probably struggle. Do I buy a boat with my racing as the priority ? (as its the most severe conditions I'll be in). I also only paddle 2-3 times per week. There is no guarantee I'd ever master the V10 G3.

It would probably make sense to train exclusively on the V10 G3, keep the V8 Pro (and use that to do those races) and wait until my skills catch up to do it all in the V10. Mind you, (and taking Robin's point), it may well just be more sensible to buy a V10 Sport as a happy medium and have that as my sole boat until I'm ready to upgrade further down the line. Its more cost effective from my point of view. The problem is there is an attraction to trying to master an advanced boat - even when most of the top masters in my country (I'm 43) really are loitering around using V10 Sports and V8 pro's in the races.

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4 days 4 minutes ago #33786 by EK Sydney
Replied by EK Sydney on topic New model 2018 EPIC V10
I'd say a jump from a V8 Pro to a V10 is a pretty big one. The V10 Sport is the more logical ski, you'll get more days on the water where you're in charge.

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3 days 21 hours ago #33787 by uk gearmuncher

EK Sydney wrote: I'd say a jump from a V8 Pro to a V10 is a pretty big one. The V10 Sport is the more logical ski, you'll get more days on the water where you're in charge.


I'd agree with you normally but many paddlers say the differences between the V10 Sport and the V8 pro are suggested to be virtually negligible.

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3 days 20 hours ago #33788 by kwolfe
Replied by kwolfe on topic New model 2018 EPIC V10
If you are paddling flats, the V8pro to a V10 isn't leaps and bounds.  Mind you, I paddle very flat water 80% of the time and the the 20% is 1ft wind chop and boat wakes.  I started with a V8 and went to a V14 and eventually I now have a Nelo550 and V14.  The 550 is similar in stability to the V10 I hear.  The only time I struggles was a race in open ocean this past summer where things were confused and lumpy as heck.  I swan a handful of times but managed to finish the 14 miles ok.  And I don't paddle those conditions normally.

I am an advocate of two boats if you can swing it.

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3 days 7 hours ago #33797 by Dicko
Replied by Dicko on topic New model 2018 EPIC V10
A lot depends on the water you paddle in as well. If your water is warm, then falling in isn't the end of the world. The v10 is an easy boat to remount, so there is a little more leeway to challenge yourself. If the boat was deep seated elite boat I would be hesitant. Rob's percentage of rough to flat water is the complete opposite to mine. Our downwinders are organised and follow the shore. I live in Geographe Bay and no matter which way the wind blows there is a downwinder that follows the shore. In winter you need a slightly warmer rashie. The v10 is a perfect boat for my conditions and if it gets rough you can paddle 20 metres off shore (sandy beach with no swell) and still get runs if you need to.

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13 hours 4 minutes ago - 12 hours 59 minutes ago #33818 by uk gearmuncher

EK Sydney wrote: I'd say a jump from a V8 Pro to a V10 is a pretty big one. The V10 Sport is the more logical ski, you'll get more days on the water where you're in charge.


Yep, I bypassed my chop in the harbour trials (as I found that fine) and headed straight out into very small ocean surf (<2ft). It became very apparent very quickly that I was struggling. Mind you, after an hours paddling I only fell out twice (and can I just say that remounting wasn't that hard in this boat) but I was lucky if I was able to put out 50% of my full power at any point. I guess in such trivial amounts of surf it may well be a step too far. I certainly couldn't imagine racing it. It's a shame as I honestly think the V10 G3 is a great boat. The cockpit and bucket design is really good. (note: I also think it feels more stable in very light chop than it does on flatwater).

A friend of mine suggest the Nelo 550L may be worth considering ? If not that, I guess its back to the V10 Sport plan.

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11 hours 35 minutes ago #33820 by Cerca Trova
Replied by Cerca Trova on topic New model 2018 EPIC V10
If you can find one the Vadja Next 46 is comparable to a V10 Sport. I am a fan of Epics, I am currently paddling a G3 V10, and a V11, yet the V10 Sport just doesn't work for me. I have had a V8 Pro and the Sport and I found the V8 Pro to be the better overall ski.

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